Big 12 Refs Strike Again

[VeloClone]

What late call did KU get against Baylor? Heck, Baylor had so few fouls called on them that they had to start fouling on purpose in the last minute just to try to get KU to the line to get the ball back. Baylor only had four team fouls with a minute left in the game.

This is true. I don't think this is an apt comparison on this one. In addition, Gathers got away with his plowing through rebounders and those trying to block him out in the KU game as well. I don't know if he drew a ticky tack flop charge in that game, though.

 

[DSMCy]

This was probably brought up in this thread but I'm lazy and don't want to sift through 5 pages.

Has anyone seen a good angle of McKay's "goaltend"? From what I saw live and the one replay they showed, that looked like the worst call of the night.
The ball looked like it was barely out of Gathers(?) hand.

 

[HFCS]

This was probably brought up in this thread but I'm lazy and don't want to sift through 5 pages.

Has anyone seen a good angle of McKay's "goaltend"? From what I saw live and the one replay they showed, that looked like the worst call of the night.
The ball looked like it was barely out of Gathers(?) hand.

Forgive for being positive and off topic. But McKay is now up to 3 blocks per game while not even really averaging that many minutes per game.

Some of our fans were quite wrong about his contributions. He may have hung out on the perimeter a lot in junior college but Fred has him blocking shots and rebounding just like we need a guy with his length to do.

Back to on topic, but that goaltend would have put him above 3 blocks per game.

 

[VeloClone]

This was probably brought up in this thread but I'm lazy and don't want to sift through 5 pages.

Has anyone seen a good angle of McKay's "goaltend"? From what I saw live and the one replay they showed, that looked like the worst call of the night.
The ball looked like it was barely out of Gathers(?) hand.

It wasn't a very high shot just going to barely creep over the rim but it had pretty clearly reached its apex and was on the way down. Good call.

 

[ricochet]

What late call did KU get against Baylor? Heck, Baylor had so few fouls called on them that they had to start fouling on purpose in the last minute just to try to get KU to the line to get the ball back. Baylor only had four team fouls with a minute left in the game.

I'm guessing he is referring to the out of bounds call that went to Kansas.

 

[stormchaser2014]

Why is this thread still open?

 

[Cyclone07]

Might be in the minority but the play where Gathers flopped and drew the charge bothered me more. No way a dude that big goes down like that with about zero contact.

 

[HFCS]

It wasn't a very high shot just going to barely creep over the rim but it had pretty clearly reached its apex and was on the way down. Good call.

My rule of thumb is if I didn't have rage over it live, and I didn't on McKay's goaltend...it was probably a good call or at least an understandable mistake. I had a lot of rage when they took away BDJ's 3 point play chance and on the final push off before the basket even went in. Compared to the WVU game I only got mad at these refs a handful of time as opposed to pretty much every single play in that win.

If BDJ's 3 point play nullification had been for the win this would have been into "KU-games-bad-call-level" but since it didn't happen in the final minute it's overlooked.

 

[HFCS]

Might be in the minority but the play where Gathers flopped and drew the charge bothered me more. No way a dude that big goes down like that with about zero contact.

You mean you don't believe he got 15 boards with zero fouls when the players defending him had about ten fouls?

 

[acody]

There's no way Monte's body moves like that unless an arm is pushing him, is there? SMH

Yes. Monte tried to sell it way too much. Cherry couldn't push Monte that far if he let him.

 

[CycloneErik]

Yes. Monte tried to sell it way too much. Cherry couldn't push Monte that far if he let him.

I'd be more ready to believe that Monte was shot than fouled.

 

[cycloner29]

I guess they better start calling offensive hand checking! They started calling defensive hand checking a few years ago. The refs botched this foul as bad as when McKay was called for an offensive foul against Gathers(?), who did a stunning rendition of a Marcus Smart flop.

 

[Cardinal2001]

I'd be more ready to believe that Monte was shot than fouled.

Yep, Monte flopped, and got caught in it.

 

[twocoach]

Might be in the minority but the play where Gathers flopped and drew the charge bothered me more. No way a dude that big goes down like that with about zero contact.

A) it was a flop and B) it was an offensive foul. Gathers sold it but the flop doesn't negate the foul.

 

[VeloClone]

A) it was a flop and B) it was an offensive foul. Gathers sold it but the flop doesn't negate the foul.

Can't have it both ways. Many posters have been saying it is up to the players to adapt their play to what the officials are calling. Based on what had been allowed, especially what had just happened at the other end of the floor where Gathers trucked an ISU player to get his shot off with no whistle, that slight contact was not something that should have had an official even raising an eyebrow.

 

[CoKane]

I watched the entire game last night. As many have pointed out the refs were not the reason ISU lost. These types of threads just make the fan base look ridiculous. Too bad no one will ever realize that. Yes, I'm well aware it happens everywhere too. It was nice to see many people in this thread made it clear that the refs weren't the reason ISU lost.

Nobody said the refs were the sole reason Iowa State lost. If we guarded the 3 point line early and boxed out at all we would have won by 10-12 points.

 

[CyclonesBV22]

If this is a flop, I don't know basketball anymore. How is Chery able to get back that quickly without a little repel action from Morris.

http://youtu.be/a9SpqLqJTY8

 

[twocoach]

Can't have it both ways. Many posters have been saying it is up to the players to adapt their play to what the officials are calling. Based on what had been allowed, especially what had just happened at the other end of the floor where Gathers trucked an ISU player to get his shot off with no whistle, that slight contact was not something that should have had an official even raising an eyebrow.

Then the definition of the word "flop" is the problem. Some see it as selling something that did not happen and some see it as drawing attention to something that happened to make it look worse than it was. An offensive foul was committed and Gathers sold it to make sure the refs were aware it happened. Did the sell work? Apparently. And I warned you that Gathers was going to get away with steam rolling ISU players. He did it multiple times against Kansas with none of them called. That's an experienced player that can pull that off. the luxury of having guys stick around for four years, I suppose. They know all the tricks.

 

[CoKane]

A) it was a flop and B) it was an offensive foul. Gathers sold it but the flop doesn't negate the foul.

Then it should have been an offensive foul against Gathers on the other end when he did the same exact thing McKay did on Hogue. Completely inconsistent refereeing in this game.

 

[trajanJ]

If this is a flop, I don't know basketball anymore. How is Chery able to get back that quickly without a little repel action from Morris.

http://youtu.be/a9SpqLqJTY8

Chery's arm was almost fully extended before he ever made contact with Morris. No way he could exert that kind of force to send Morris back that far with so little leverage. There was some contact but it was much less than what Michial Jordan did against Bryon Russell.