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CloniesForLife

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Were they just televising it? That match occurred at about 9AM. He's going to be wrestling for Gold in probably about 20 minutes here.

EDIT: I was really excited and loud when I was watching that match though. His opponent got gassed bad after the 4 minute mark.
Must've been televised late? It was a exciting match and I don't even really know the rules haha
 

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The Mongolian coaches with the highlight of the day.

On another note, why does it cost a point to challenge a call? I can understand getting one challenge and if it fails you lose it, but it seems overly critical to say it can cost an athlete actual points.
 
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The Mongolian coaches with the highlight of the day.

On another note, why does it cost a point to challenge a call? I can understand getting one challenge and if it fails you lose it, but it seems overly critical to say it can cost an athlete actual points.

Because wrestling isn't like football or baseball and giving them "free" challenges where the only consequence is losing the timeout creates a system that is extremely open to gaming?

The reason why replay works in the NFL is because the penalty for a failed challenge is it costs the team a timeout (which is why if a team burns through their TOs they cannot challenge). Sure, in baseball they lose their ability to challenge, but a baseball game can be 3 hours long or more, and losing a challenge early in the game could have dire consequences later in the game.

Also, in both football and baseball, plays happen so quickly that refs frequently blow calls - they just don't have the angle and/or it just happens too quickly to make the correct call.

Wrestling is just different. It's a sport where endurance is just as important as technique and strength, and there are no timeouts. Also, compared to football and baseball, 99% of the time the calls are obvious - a takedown is a takedown, a reversal is a reversal, and a pin is a pin. The vast, vast majority of the time if the ref missed something because it happened too quickly then it probably shouldn't count anyway. It's not enough for someone's shoulders to be on the mat for an instant - they have to be on the mat long enough for the ref to observe it. Likewise, takedowns, escapes, reversals, and the like are all fairly obvious. Combine that with the fact that matches, especially championship matches, are close battles on the scoreboard that tend to run the allotted time - and by the way, there are no timeouts - you don't think coaches and wrestlers aren't going to demand officials review something with no other intent than giving the wrestler a chance to catch his breath? There has to be a greater penalty to losing a challenge in wrestling other than just losing the timeout because that just isn't incentive enough. Besides, it's not like there isn't precedent - wrestlers already are deducted points for various infractions, the biggest one that comes to my mind is if a ref has to warn a wrestler that he isn't "working to the ref's satisfaction on something " (either trying to escape or reverse for the down man, working towards a pin for the up man) enough times the ref starts deducting points. Consider a failed review a "delay of game" infraction.
 

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Because wrestling isn't like football or baseball and giving them "free" challenges where the only consequence is losing the timeout creates a system that is extremely open to gaming?

The reason why replay works in the NFL is because the penalty for a failed challenge is it costs the team a timeout (which is why if a team burns through their TOs they cannot challenge). Sure, in baseball they lose their ability to challenge, but a baseball game can be 3 hours long or more, and losing a challenge early in the game could have dire consequences later in the game.

Also, in both football and baseball, plays happen so quickly that refs frequently blow calls - they just don't have the angle and/or it just happens too quickly to make the correct call.

Wrestling is just different. It's a sport where endurance is just as important as technique and strength, and there are no timeouts. Also, compared to football and baseball, 99% of the time the calls are obvious - a takedown is a takedown, a reversal is a reversal, and a pin is a pin. The vast, vast majority of the time if the ref missed something because it happened too quickly then it probably shouldn't count anyway. It's not enough for someone's shoulders to be on the mat for an instant - they have to be on the mat long enough for the ref to observe it. Likewise, takedowns, escapes, reversals, and the like are all fairly obvious. Combine that with the fact that matches, especially championship matches, are close battles on the scoreboard that tend to run the allotted time - and by the way, there are no timeouts - you don't think coaches and wrestlers aren't going to demand officials review something with no other intent than giving the wrestler a chance to catch his breath? There has to be a greater penalty to losing a challenge in wrestling other than just losing the timeout because that just isn't incentive enough. Besides, it's not like there isn't precedent - wrestlers already are deducted points for various infractions, the biggest one that comes to my mind is if a ref has to warn a wrestler that he isn't "working to the ref's satisfaction on something " (either trying to escape or reverse for the down man, working towards a pin for the up man) enough times the ref starts deducting points. Consider a failed review a "delay of game" infraction.
Do the reviews in college cost a point? I didn't think so. They don't seem to have a problem there.

Also is it just me or is international sterling much more confusing than college and high school. I know there are different kinds but I just can't get into it that much because the rules change.
 

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The Mongolian wrestling coaches upset with the decision so they decide to show their displeasure.

That whole end of the match was insane. Their wrestler was up 7-6 when time ran out. Then they gave the other guy a point to tie it afterwards. The other guy was ahead because of criteria at that point.

Also, there was an official that was kicked out earlier in the day, and there are rumblings of corrupt officials.
 

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Greased up Tongan was back for the closing ceremonies. When will people stop treating men as sexual objects and just see us as human beings?
 
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Because wrestling isn't like football or baseball and giving them "free" challenges where the only consequence is losing the timeout creates a system that is extremely open to gaming?

The reason why replay works in the NFL is because the penalty for a failed challenge is it costs the team a timeout (which is why if a team burns through their TOs they cannot challenge). Sure, in baseball they lose their ability to challenge, but a baseball game can be 3 hours long or more, and losing a challenge early in the game could have dire consequences later in the game.

Also, in both football and baseball, plays happen so quickly that refs frequently blow calls - they just don't have the angle and/or it just happens too quickly to make the correct call.

Wrestling is just different. It's a sport where endurance is just as important as technique and strength, and there are no timeouts. Also, compared to football and baseball, 99% of the time the calls are obvious - a takedown is a takedown, a reversal is a reversal, and a pin is a pin. The vast, vast majority of the time if the ref missed something because it happened too quickly then it probably shouldn't count anyway. It's not enough for someone's shoulders to be on the mat for an instant - they have to be on the mat long enough for the ref to observe it. Likewise, takedowns, escapes, reversals, and the like are all fairly obvious. Combine that with the fact that matches, especially championship matches, are close battles on the scoreboard that tend to run the allotted time - and by the way, there are no timeouts - you don't think coaches and wrestlers aren't going to demand officials review something with no other intent than giving the wrestler a chance to catch his breath? There has to be a greater penalty to losing a challenge in wrestling other than just losing the timeout because that just isn't incentive enough. Besides, it's not like there isn't precedent - wrestlers already are deducted points for various infractions, the biggest one that comes to my mind is if a ref has to warn a wrestler that he isn't "working to the ref's satisfaction on something " (either trying to escape or reverse for the down man, working towards a pin for the up man) enough times the ref starts deducting points. Consider a failed review a "delay of game" infraction.

Except there already is a time wasting infraction. It's that 30 second thing where if the person on the clock doesn't score their opponent gets a point. If wrestling is such a sport of "endurance" why did they take extra time out and replace it with a bunch of random tie-breaker criteria? That's the whole reason why the challenge was issued in the first place - because the penalty point gave the tiebreak to the opponent (the Mongolian dude had no penalty for challenging the call). Had they just had a period of overtime there wouldn't have been a challenge in the first place. Perhaps it would be better all-around if they spread the wrestling for each weight class over more days. It seems like overtime would not be a big deal if they allowed the wrestlers some more time between rounds.
 

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Goodbye Rio

Victory, defeat, gold, silver, and bronze. Americans shined snagging 121 medals including 46 gold. I'll miss it. Stay tuned folks as we return to our regular scheduled programming of endless political ads full of bullsh*t and lies. T.V. is now in the OFF position.
 
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