Definitely would have been the smart move I think.
Duffey also getting another crack on Saturday, so still no Berrios yet...
MLB: 2015 Minnesota Twins thread
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Duffey also getting another crack on Saturday, so still no Berrios yet...
What are you trying to say? The number of guys who rarely pitched 7+ innings in their first 25 starts and didn't turn into Cy Young contenders is probably a lot longer than this list...
Plus, like May, most of those guys either spent time in the bullpen or being demoted to the minors after their debuts. And I think a lot of Lester's starts were innings-limited because he was recovering from cancer treatment.
That said, I'm not rooting for May to fail by any means. But he's certainly got some things to work out, and I'm looking forward to seeing if he's been able to address them from his time in the bullpen.
My point is that an inability to go 7 innings is no reason to send a guy back to the minors. Some players just have to work through that. They don't know how to get major leaguers out efficiently to start and having them pitch in AAA doesn't help that. Some guys have it right away and can be efficent with their pitches and get guys out from the get go. Other guys aren't efficient right away but improve with major league experience. At this point, May should be pitching in a Major League rotation to help his improvement. He has shown enough improvement to keep going.
I think the fact that the Twins are contending this year was a big surprise and because of that, May got bumped to the bullpen to help the team out. If they were out of teh playoff picture, I think he'd have a rotation spot.
Actually, only one of those guys were demoted to the bullpen or the minors after their debut. Jon Lester threw at least 90 pitches in every start his rookie year, but only went 7 innings once. This was pre-cancer. Post-cancer he never thew less than 90 pitches every game as well.
David Price started in the bullpen for a playoff team, but once he joined the rotation the next year, he was never sent back to the minors or to the bullpen. That "rookie" starting season, he averaged 5.6 innings per start, had a 4.42 ERA and walked 3.8 per 9 innings.
Sabathia never was sent back to the minors even though he averaged less than 5.5 innings per start, had a 4.4 ERA and walked nearly 5 per 9 innings.
Kerhsaw never was sent back to the minors even though he averaged only 5 innings per start, had a 4.26 ERA and walked 4.3 per 9 innings.
Max Scherzer did get sent to the bullpen in his rookie year and got sent to the minors then back to the rotation in September. Only had 7 starts that year. In his second year, he started 30 games, only went 7 innings 6 times, had a 4.12 ERA and
Cueto was never sent back to the minors or the bullpen. He had a 4.81 ERA his rookie year, averaging 5.6 innings per game and walking 3.5 per game.
In May's career, he's averaging 5 innings per start, has a 5.32 ERA, has a walk rate better than Price, Sabathia, Kershaw and Cueto did and has a strikeout rate on par with any of them that early in their career.
Maybe Angels and Nationals, but I would not take any of the other teams 4th and 5th starters over either Gibson or Hughes.
I still don't get your point...if you're trying to infer anything from comparing May to a handful of guys who've had good careers but had some early struggles, you're making an incredibly specious claim. For one thing, May is 2-5 years older than anyone in that group was during their rookie season. But most of all, so what? There are far more guys who have trouble going deep into games when they're young that end up with mediocre careers at best...
Kevin Slowey only made it to 7 innings in 3 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Ramon Ortiz only made it to 7 innings in 6 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Sidney Ponson only made it to 7 innings in 5 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Luke Hochevar only made it to 7 innings in 6 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Kyle Davies only made it to 7 innings in 4 of his first 25 starts of his career.
John Danks only made it to 7 innings in 6 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Mike Pelfrey only made it to 7 innings in 3 of his first 25 starts of his career.
Comparing May to those guys is just as pointless as comparing him to the group you identified.
Perkins looks awful since the break. Another terrible outing today.
Filled bases in the 10th before getting an out so he gets another loss. When your hitters give you 7 runs you better win the game.
Filled bases in the 10th before getting an out so he gets another loss. When your hitters give you 7 runs you better win the game.
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Today was a showcase for the two most atrocious Twins pitchers since the break.
Perkins and Gibson. They've both been awful for over a month.
Yeah, and it's crazy to think they could have had a win and a save except for that last home run and poor play by Perkins. This should have been a win. 15 hits 7 runs and a loss.
And after this afternoon drop to 29-81 versus the Yankees since 2002. I knew the streak but didn't know the numbers till I just ran across this:
I used to like you Boxster
Honestly, I'm almost surprised that percentage isn't worse. The Twins can't look past the pinstripes and just play ball.
Twins should pay me to go to the games. Went to one game this summer and Twins crush the Yanks and the next day ARod hits three.
Twins just swept Baltimore. They are still in the wild card race. It would have been nice to get one from the Yankees, especially since they were close to winning all of those games, but beating Baltimore was pretty important.
It's been a wild second half watching them flail around in the deep end trying to keep their head above water. Every time they look like goners, they seem to catch a second wind.
Still in a pretty ridiculous stretch in the schedule. 3 at Tampa starting tomorrow, another chance to put some room between themselves an another WC contender.
Then it's 6 of 9 against Houston. Buckle up.
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5 in a row! Chewing through Wild Card competitors left and right.
And, as well all expected before the season, the Twins rookie record for triples was indeed broken tonight by Byro...Ed, Eddie? Yes, I'm being told Eddie Rosario has broken the Twins' rookie record with 10 triples and counting.
Rosario is also 1 off the MLB lead for triples.
And, as well all expected before the season, the Twins rookie record for triples was indeed broken tonight by Byro...Ed, Eddie? Yes, I'm being told Eddie Rosario has broken the Twins' rookie record with 10 triples and counting.
Rosario is also 1 off the MLB lead for triples.
And now Toronto rallies for 2 in the 9th to beat Texas 6-5!
Twins only a half game back of Texas now for the 2nd WC spot.
The next great AL masher Miguel Sano also hit his 12th dinger tonight, a 3-run bomb in the 1st inning.
Twins only a half game back of Texas now for the 2nd WC spot.
The next great AL masher Miguel Sano also hit his 12th dinger tonight, a 3-run bomb in the 1st inning.
I've always considered myself a traditionalist, even to the point where I've wanted a return to two divisions in each league, but man...having two wild card slots has made the last month of the season even more exciting than I could have imagined. I just wish the two wild cards played a best-of-three series to advance; it doesn't seem fair that they get the same treatment as a tiebreaker.
