Another Manning S^*T sandwich

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The run game is so transparent and predictable that it closes any gap in skill that a bad defense might have.

ISU is the Iowa of the big 12. Very easy to make one dimensional.

I keep seeing this. Statistically they're practically identical.

However, if there's one thing Iowa is known for it's being fundamentally sound. Every year.

ISU is not that.
 

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But he also usually has the line and backs to make it work. We have a poor line and while we have decent backs, each are pretty one-dimensional in their style.
Not saying I disagree. What I am saying is we clearly can't run the ball with what they have been trying to do so quit trying to shove a round peg thru a square hole.
 

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Legit question for those not being hard on Manning, what would it take to make you actually do so? Sure, Dekkers sucks. Ive been beating that drum for a while. But Dekkers isnt the one calling runs up the middle every 1st and 2nd down or calling desgined 2 yard passes on 3rd and over 10
I am puzzled by some of the calls but I think sometimes it is execution by the players. better blocking by the line would help. something is not right . maybe the chemistry for some reason is not there. don't know not at practice or in the locker room to see what is happening.
 

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I am puzzled by some of the calls but I think sometimes it is execution by the players. better blocking by the line would help. something is not right . maybe the chemistry for some reason is not there. don't know not at practice or in the locker room to see what is happening.
Same problems year-in, year-out. No longer covered up by elite RB play. I think I can probably identify the problem but people don't want to hear it.
 

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Watch most of today’s game. First time in a while. We have very bad players on offense. Not calling anyone out but let’s hope there is a major infusion of talent next year.
 

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Going to throw this out there but surely we will have a QB contest going into 2023 between Dekkers and Kohl right? I think Dekkers has room to grow but if we are coming off a losing season you have to open up that competition to give the crown jewel of your recruiting class a legit shot at winning the job.
It should be a constant competition at all positions...nobody should just get their turn due to seniority...I think Dekkers is probably the best QB on the roster at this point. Hopefully Kohl gets a legit shot.
 

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So if anyone wants to be depressed - watch Tennessee play offense. The reason I say this is the play caller for Tennessee is one, Alex Golesh.

In case you were wondering why I mention this, is because he was our tight ends coach until 2019. In 2019 he went to UCF to join Huepel's staff as the play-caller where UCF averaged 568 yards in his first season.

Tennessee went from 108 to 7th in scoring offense last year.
And obviously is having another great year.

The reason I mention this - 2019 is the year that Tom Manning returned from Indianapolis. Coincidence? IDK. But my word - do I feel like it'd be nice to have Golesh back but I'm sure that day is long gone. He left after Manning's first season back.

What maybe could have been
 

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So if anyone wants to be depressed - watch Tennessee play offense. The reason I say this is the play caller for Tennessee is one, Alex Golesh.

In case you were wondering why I mention this, is because he was our tight ends coach until 2019. In 2019 he went to UCF to join Huepel's staff as the play-caller where UCF averaged 568 yards in his first season.

Tennessee went from 108 to 7th in scoring offense last year.
And obviously is having another great year.

The reason I mention this - 2019 is the year that Tom Manning returned from Indianapolis. Coincidence? IDK. But my word - do I feel like it'd be nice to have Golesh back but I'm sure that day is long gone. He left after Manning's first season back.

What maybe could have been
But this is 100% Huepel's system. Golesh may be good, but he's just calling what Huepel has drawn up. Nothing prior to his time with Huepel matches the offense they're running but matches what Huepel has done.
 

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So if anyone wants to be depressed - watch Tennessee play offense. The reason I say this is the play caller for Tennessee is one, Alex Golesh.

In case you were wondering why I mention this, is because he was our tight ends coach until 2019. In 2019 he went to UCF to join Huepel's staff as the play-caller where UCF averaged 568 yards in his first season.

Tennessee went from 108 to 7th in scoring offense last year.
And obviously is having another great year.

The reason I mention this - 2019 is the year that Tom Manning returned from Indianapolis. Coincidence? IDK. But my word - do I feel like it'd be nice to have Golesh back but I'm sure that day is long gone. He left after Manning's first season back.

What maybe could have been

No he is not, Heupel calls the plays. You can see Heupel calling them in every play.
 

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No he is not, Heupel calls the plays. You can see Heupel calling them in every play.

But this is 100% Huepel's system. Golesh may be good, but he's just calling what Huepel has drawn up. Nothing prior to his time with Huepel matches the offense they're running but matches what Huepel has done.
Huepel and him talk, yes, but I have it on reasonably good authority from a current SEC team staff member that Golesh actually calls plays. Former Big 12 school that now is the SEC. Does that mean every play? IDK.

It is Huepel's system yes - that there is no doubt.


And also, that's a cop out to say its his system... because this isn't really Manning's system then but Campbell's. So that's a bit of a non-starter.

You're either good at attacking a defense and calling plays or your not. The idea that you didn't draw up the play means nothing. Anyone can draw something on a white board. Can you identify which defender is in conflict, which area of the defense is weakest and can you call the play that takes advantage of that, that is everything.

I guarantee you Tom Manning can draw some pretty plays on a white board. But he can't call plays in rythm
 

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I told everyone I know that if Manning called the game he called against Texas, we win. If he called today's game like he did against the Kansas schools, we'd lose. And guess what that idiot did. He had a bye week to prep for THE WORST DEFENSE IN THE BIG 12, and called the game like he did against the Kansas schools and we mustered 13 freaking points.
 

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I told everyone I know that if Manning called the game he called against Texas, we win. If he called today's game like he did against the Kansas schools, we'd lose. And guess what that idiot did. He had a bye week to prep for THE WORST DEFENSE IN THE BIG 12, and called the game like he did against the Kansas schools and we mustered 13 freaking points.
Well, in fairness, we scored 21 against Oklahoma in the CCG. With a team that featured several NFL players on it. And that defense wasn't any good either.

Somebody may just not be very good at their job.
 

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It’s all pretty simple. Manning is VERY predictable in his play calls. We do nothing to mix things up.

Play calls have a consistently low probability of success. How many times do you continue to throw into the flat for -3 to 2 yards without realizing it doesn’t work?

RPO has disappeared from the playbook.

Tight ends are non existent.

Offensive line doesn’t appear to be able to open a hole against anything but really really bad teams.

Special teams bites us again. That fake fg was the easiest thing in the world to see. Either sniff it out or freaking coaches call a time out.

0-9 is staring us rather strongly in the face. If a team scores 15 points they win.
I think I called about 40% of our plays when we were at the line of scrimmage today, and I don’t know s*%T about football compared to a D1 defensive coordinator. Imagine how easy their job is when they play us .
 
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What proof is there that he actually excels at coaching an O-line?

I mean, he's the OC. Wouldn't he be getting involved if he had some natural gift? What is he doing at practice? Watching them suck and not doing anything?
Exactly - heck even UNI has been able to produce NFL OL a couple times in the last decade. That is how bad our OL development and recruiting has been.
 
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But this is 100% Huepel's system. Golesh may be good, but he's just calling what Huepel has drawn up. Nothing prior to his time with Huepel matches the offense they're running but matches what Huepel has done.
As someone who doesn't really follow recruiting, given he was our recruiting coordinator, has there been any appreciable effect from that loss?
 

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Huepel and him talk, yes, but I have it on reasonably good authority from a current SEC team staff member that Golesh actually calls plays. Former Big 12 school that now is the SEC. Does that mean every play? IDK.

It is Huepel's system yes - that there is no doubt.


And also, that's a cop out to say its his system... because this isn't really Manning's system then but Campbell's. So that's a bit of a non-starter.

You're either good at attacking a defense and calling plays or your not. The idea that you didn't draw up the play means nothing. Anyone can draw something on a white board. Can you identify which defender is in conflict, which area of the defense is weakest and can you call the play that takes advantage of that, that is everything.

I guarantee you Tom Manning can draw some pretty plays on a white board. But he can't call plays in rythm
No, he panicks and calls a run down 14 with 1 minute left
 
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Any comments on the game or just more personal attacks? I know you love to suck off the coaches and mean words about them hurt you personally. For me though, i set my coaching hot seat meter to the same level of how defensive you get over them, because sticking up for failure is the Stormin specialty.

Does it hurt you being so defiantly wrong about our coaches every single time? I know it would hurt me, but Ive been ahead of the curve on Rhoads, Prohm, and now Manning so I don't know that feeling.

You’re ******** and complaining constantly. You can’t get a Head Coaching job. What the hell have you ever accomplished? You’re just a complainer. Matt Campbell is the best coach we have ever had. I am willing to cut him some slack. Trust Campbell.
 
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Terrible Play calling, poor quarterback play, limited offensive talent. Just impossible to win in this conference with that combination. Something needs to change.
Campbell needs to be willing to change it
 
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I am coming to apathy.

I am pissed they don't try anything new, same ol' same ol' crap.

Run some end arounds, jet sweeps...then fake like you are doing those things but run it up the middle. How about a gadget play every a quarter or half even? The tempo is so predictable too, hike the ball with about 10 seconds on the play clock...maybe just maybe, run a series up tempo, nah. The opposing D knows exactly what's coming, our boys never have a chance.