Who’s gonna want to join a lame duck head coach?
What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..
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Who’s gonna want to join a lame duck head coach?
It might be too late at this point. Should’ve already done it a couple years ago.
I stand by my opinion that Boston College (or Notre Dame or Penn State) have a far better chance of hiring Beilein than ISU. At his age having family around matters. Look at Kelvin Sampson, his 2 kids work for the Houston basketball program.
Heck, IMO he has a better chance of pulling a Lute Olson and taking a snowbird job.
PIus, he really hasn't shown much interest. He is a professor at Michigan and working TV. He might settle into that life.
Obviously our opinions differ
What area of the game does TJ specialize in? We have established that he can recruit well. Our current guy isn't horrible in that regard either. What is TJ going to bring to the table that Prohm isn't currently? I tend to agree with the side that doesn't want TJ until convinced otherwise.
Being discussed on another board but figured we could argue over here too
Thoughts on Archie Miller if Indiana fires him?
Archie Miller would excite me more than some of the names i've seen thrown around for ISU (e.g. Devries, Medved, Henderson or Hornacek)
Has Archie delivered on the top 15 salary IU has paid him? No, but i still think hes a good coach and is a safer bet to return ISU to a winning program than some of the midmajor coaches projected for ISU by fans and media.
Is Archie on the hot seat over there?
If so, definitely worth a long look. I think Indiana would have made the tournament last season if not for Covid, and he did great things at Dayton.
I've been an advocate for a couple years that this needed to happen. There are clear gaps with the team over the past few years that this staff obviously doesn't know how to address. They needed to bring someone in to help with that, but at this point it's too late likely. Getting someone solid to join this staff at this point is a long shot.
I think this area is similar question with TJ. I'm ok with TJ but also not wildly excited about him. He has some strengths and some question marks in my opinion. I'm sure TJ is going to be contacted by Pollard if the opportunity arises. If I was in Jamie's seat a big part of the discussion would be around how TJ plans to build his staff. The assistants aren't as important in basketball as they are in football due to the number of players, but it's still really critical especially for a guy like TJ that still has some open questions in my opinion. TJ alone I'm ok with but not jumping up and down excited. TJ + a strong staff that helps strengthen some areas and I start to get excited.
the staff discussion is way more important of a point than I think most people give weight to. Prohm can recruit but cannot draw up a play or encourage growth or toughness in his guys for squat. I think a lot of the second portion of that is why Fred succeeded (he brought in doc and lutz to help). If TJ were able to do that, I think he’d succeed where Prohm didn’t. I still have yet to see anyone post the touted list of assistants he was wanted to bring along side him last time.
It appears TJ's teams rebound much better than ours (Total Team Rebound % - Rebound Rate). Previous two seasons and the current season (SDSU and UNLV) , TJ's teams have ranked 32 ('18-'19), 15 ('19-20), and 178 (Current season). Our ranking has been 155, 231, and 306 in the same time frame. I'd say that's a start.
Perusing other team rankings, TJ's teams' offensive efficiency appear to be well ahead of ours during the same time frame.
TJ is toxic to me but it’s not his fault. It’s because of the Hoiberg lovers that refused to give Prohm a chance six years ago. It’s not because they had some crystal ball knowing that Prohm would fail, but because they wanted TJ. And because of that they were extremely and unfairly harsh from day 1.
CycloneErik
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You may be rewriting some history here.
Plenty of us, maybe even most, maybe even more than that, pushed for a head coach like Prohm instead of TJ to keep things rolling, then came to realize our mistake.
Don't know if TJ is the guy or not, but your broad brush just doesn't work on this coaching picture.
I think to an extent no one was going to get a totally fair shot after Hoiberg. I think Prohms resume is more why people weren’t excited. We had someone with connections brought in and ready to go. We then changed course for someone who frankly wasn’t that impressive.
I will echo again that Prohm had two NBA PGs in his four years there and managed the NCAA one time.
Ehhh....there was a big push for TJ and the powers that be around here did a lot of the “TJ is the best we are going to get” snd “it had to be TJ”. And that’s understandable, they are friends and know each other. But it still hit me the wrong way. It also hit me the wrong way when he came back to be an assistant knowing full well that Hoiberg was leaving. That’s not his fault and I sort of feel bad for him because I’ll go to my grave thinking he thought the head job was his when he came back but it still bothered me.
I guess it comes down to the fact that if he’s the guy, it is awfully hard to believe he wasn’t rooting for failure or that a lot of fans and others aren’t rooting for failure. Even though I know that is unfair.
I’m sure TJ will be the next coach. And I’m sure he will be fine and I’ll certainly cheer hard for his teams. I’m not a coaching expert. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 5 years I’m gushing about the hire. But I’d prefer just moving in a different direction.
Similar thoughts as @CycloneErik 's response. Seems a bit hypocritical stating no one gave Prohm a chance (those first two seasons seemed to have an awful lot of fan support), and yet you won't give TJ a chance because of Hoiberg Lovers.
I don't believe anyone claimed to be omniscient about Prohm, but in game coaching/player development was becoming glaringly apparent as each season passed.
TJ to Hoiberg is the Sherman to the Grant of perhaps the most successful period in our collective program history outside of the Fizer-Tinsley era run. If you want to "go back to what worked," then TJ is your man.
Ehhh...it didn’t work with McDermott. Maybe it was hoiberg and not TJ.
TJ brought in plenty enough talent for McD to win... he just didn't. The McD teams were certainly much more talented than what we have had the past two years, but the outcome was about the same.
Fred knew what to do with the ponies TJ brought him.
I guess it comes down to if you can think TJ can hold his own as an Xs and Os guy and/or if he'll have impressive enough of a staff to do it while concentrating on bringing guys in, which is his main talent.
