What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..

[gocubs2118]

I think Prohm could help himself a lot by bringing in a new assistant or two. I’ve never been impressed by his staff.

Who’s gonna want to join a lame duck head coach?

 

[Tpups21]

Who’s gonna want to join a lame duck head coach?

It might be too late at this point. Should’ve already done it a couple years ago.

 

[isucy86]

I don't disagree with anything here however you inserted Boston College, a school with little to no basketball history or tradition, into the previous discussion. All of your examples above are either: clear program upgrades (Turgeon and Bennett), moves to programs with better support (Underwood), and one odd case where a coach (Williams) was persuaded to go home (as a job a lateral move or a very slight upgrade).

We aren't comparing Iowa State to a NC, Michigan, Kansas, or a host of other schools. But comparing Iowa State to Boston College? Unless a coach had very strong recruiting ties they thought that job would leverage, I don't see how one could argue it's even a lateral job. Better history (last 40 years), possibly more money, and infinitely better support.

As far as being an east coast guy well...he's had a whopping 2 P6 jobs throughout his entire career. Part of his history may be due to regional familiarity and/or the interviews/jobs he was offered. How many jobs did he turn down due to geographic location? He he did make a choice was geography a driving factor? I don't know the answers to those questions but I doubt you do either. What I do know is drawing that conclusion based on his coaching history over the last 15 years is rather silly.

With Beilein it's likely a matter of both timing and the program. I think we can agree he will be highly sought after and will have his pick of open positions. Barring a major surprise however, most of the clearly better jobs won't be looking.

I stand by my opinion that Boston College (or Notre Dame or Penn State) have a far better chance of hiring Beilein than ISU. At his age having family around matters. Look at Kelvin Sampson, his 2 kids work for the Houston basketball program.

Heck, IMO he has a better chance of pulling a Lute Olson and taking a snowbird job.

PIus, he really hasn't shown much interest. He is a professor at Michigan and working TV. He might settle into that life.

Obviously our opinions differ

 

[Cyinthenorth]

What area of the game does TJ specialize in? We have established that he can recruit well. Our current guy isn't horrible in that regard either. What is TJ going to bring to the table that Prohm isn't currently? I tend to agree with the side that doesn't want TJ until convinced otherwise.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Being discussed on another board but figured we could argue over here too

Thoughts on Archie Miller if Indiana fires him?

Archie Miller would excite me more than some of the names i've seen thrown around for ISU (e.g. Devries, Medved, Henderson or Hornacek)

Has Archie delivered on the top 15 salary IU has paid him? No, but i still think hes a good coach and is a safer bet to return ISU to a winning program than some of the midmajor coaches projected for ISU by fans and media.

Is Archie on the hot seat over there?

If so, definitely worth a long look. I think Indiana would have made the tournament last season if not for Covid, and he did great things at Dayton.

 

[gocubs2118]

What area of the game does TJ specialize in? We have established that he can recruit well. Our current guy isn't horrible in that regard either. What is TJ going to bring to the table that Prohm isn't currently? I tend to agree with the side that doesn't want TJ until convinced otherwise.

A competent staff.

 

[GrindingAway]

I think Prohm could help himself a lot by bringing in a new assistant or two. I’ve never been impressed by his staff.

I've been an advocate for a couple years that this needed to happen. There are clear gaps with the team over the past few years that this staff obviously doesn't know how to address. They needed to bring someone in to help with that, but at this point it's too late likely. Getting someone solid to join this staff at this point is a long shot.

I think this area is similar question with TJ. I'm ok with TJ but also not wildly excited about him. He has some strengths and some question marks in my opinion. I'm sure TJ is going to be contacted by Pollard if the opportunity arises. If I was in Jamie's seat a big part of the discussion would be around how TJ plans to build his staff. The assistants aren't as important in basketball as they are in football due to the number of players, but it's still really critical especially for a guy like TJ that still has some open questions in my opinion. TJ alone I'm ok with but not jumping up and down excited. TJ + a strong staff that helps strengthen some areas and I start to get excited.

 

[Cy$]

T.J. is frankly killing it on the recruiting trail out in Las Vegas.

literally

 

[clone4life82]

A competent staff.

the staff discussion is way more important of a point than I think most people give weight to. Prohm can recruit but cannot draw up a play or encourage growth or toughness in his guys for squat. I think a lot of the second portion of that is why Fred succeeded (he brought in doc and lutz to help). If TJ were able to do that, I think he’d succeed where Prohm didn’t. I still have yet to see anyone post the touted list of assistants he was wanted to bring along side him last time.

 

[Billups06]

What area of the game does TJ specialize in? We have established that he can recruit well. Our current guy isn't horrible in that regard either. What is TJ going to bring to the table that Prohm isn't currently? I tend to agree with the side that doesn't want TJ until convinced otherwise.

It appears TJ's teams rebound much better than ours (Total Team Rebound % - Rebound Rate). Previous two seasons and the current season (SDSU and UNLV) , TJ's teams have ranked 32 ('18-'19), 15 ('19-20), and 178 (Current season). Our ranking has been 155, 231, and 306 in the same time frame. I'd say that's a start.

Perusing other team rankings, TJ's teams' offensive efficiency appear to be well ahead of ours during the same time frame.

 

[NoCreativity]

Hard pass on Miller, that place recruits itself and hes never even finished above .500 in the Big 10 in 4 years. I dont see how he's any better than Prohm.

 

[mynameisjonas]

TJ is toxic to me but it’s not his fault. It’s because of the Hoiberg lovers that refused to give Prohm a chance six years ago. It’s not because they had some crystal ball knowing that Prohm would fail, but because they wanted TJ. And because of that they were extremely and unfairly harsh from day 1.

 

[CycloneErik]

TJ is toxic to me but it’s not his fault. It’s because of the Hoiberg lovers that refused to give Prohm a chance six years ago. It’s not because they had some crystal ball knowing that Prohm would fail, but because they wanted TJ. And because of that they were extremely and unfairly harsh from day 1.

You may be rewriting some history here.
Plenty of us, maybe even most, maybe even more than that, pushed for a head coach like Prohm instead of TJ to keep things rolling, then came to realize our mistake.

Don't know if TJ is the guy or not, but your broad brush just doesn't work on this coaching picture.

 

[Urbandale2013]

TJ is toxic to me but it’s not his fault. It’s because of the Hoiberg lovers that refused to give Prohm a chance six years ago. It’s not because they had some crystal ball knowing that Prohm would fail, but because they wanted TJ. And because of that they were extremely and unfairly harsh from day 1.

I think to an extent no one was going to get a totally fair shot after Hoiberg. I think Prohms resume is more why people weren’t excited. We had someone with connections brought in and ready to go. We then changed course for someone who frankly wasn’t that impressive.

I will echo again that Prohm had two NBA PGs in his four years there and managed the NCAA one time.

 

[jsb]

You may be rewriting some history here.
Plenty of us, maybe even most, maybe even more than that, pushed for a head coach like Prohm instead of TJ to keep things rolling, then came to realize our mistake.

Don't know if TJ is the guy or not, but your broad brush just doesn't work on this coaching picture.

Ehhh....there was a big push for TJ and the powers that be around here did a lot of the “TJ is the best we are going to get” snd “it had to be TJ”. And that’s understandable, they are friends and know each other. But it still hit me the wrong way. It also hit me the wrong way when he came back to be an assistant knowing full well that Hoiberg was leaving. That’s not his fault and I sort of feel bad for him because I’ll go to my grave thinking he thought the head job was his when he came back but it still bothered me.

I guess it comes down to the fact that if he’s the guy, it is awfully hard to believe he wasn’t rooting for failure or that a lot of fans and others aren’t rooting for failure. Even though I know that is unfair.

I’m sure TJ will be the next coach. And I’m sure he will be fine and I’ll certainly cheer hard for his teams. I’m not a coaching expert. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 5 years I’m gushing about the hire. But I’d prefer just moving in a different direction.

 

[Billups06]

TJ is toxic to me but it’s not his fault. It’s because of the Hoiberg lovers that refused to give Prohm a chance six years ago. It’s not because they had some crystal ball knowing that Prohm would fail, but because they wanted TJ. And because of that they were extremely and unfairly harsh from day 1.

Similar thoughts as @CycloneErik 's response. Seems a bit hypocritical stating no one gave Prohm a chance (those first two seasons seemed to have an awful lot of fan support), and yet you won't give TJ a chance because of Hoiberg Lovers.

I don't believe anyone claimed to be omniscient about Prohm, but in game coaching/player development was becoming glaringly apparent as each season passed.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Ehhh....there was a big push for TJ and the powers that be around here did a lot of the “TJ is the best we are going to get” snd “it had to be TJ”. And that’s understandable, they are friends and know each other. But it still hit me the wrong way. It also hit me the wrong way when he came back to be an assistant knowing full well that Hoiberg was leaving. That’s not his fault and I sort of feel bad for him because I’ll go to my grave thinking he thought the head job was his when he came back but it still bothered me.

I guess it comes down to the fact that if he’s the guy, it is awfully hard to believe he wasn’t rooting for failure or that a lot of fans and others aren’t rooting for failure. Even though I know that is unfair.

I’m sure TJ will be the next coach. And I’m sure he will be fine and I’ll certainly cheer hard for his teams. I’m not a coaching expert. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 5 years I’m gushing about the hire. But I’d prefer just moving in a different direction.

TJ to Hoiberg is the Sherman to the Grant of perhaps the most successful period in our collective program history outside of the Fizer-Tinsley era run. If you want to "go back to what worked," then TJ is your man.

 

[jsb]

TJ to Hoiberg is the Sherman to the Grant of perhaps the most successful period in our collective program history outside of the Fizer-Tinsley era run. If you want to "go back to what worked," then TJ is your man.

Ehhh...it didn’t work with McDermott. Maybe it was hoiberg and not TJ.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Ehhh...it didn’t work with McDermott. Maybe it was hoiberg and not TJ.

TJ brought in plenty enough talent for McD to win... he just didn't. The McD teams were certainly much more talented than what we have had the past two years, but the outcome was about the same.

Fred knew what to do with the ponies TJ brought him.

I guess it comes down to if you can think TJ can hold his own as an Xs and Os guy and/or if he'll have impressive enough of a staff to do it while concentrating on bringing guys in, which is his main talent.

 

[BryceC]

I guess it comes down to the fact that if he’s the guy, it is awfully hard to believe he wasn’t rooting for failure or that a lot of fans and others aren’t rooting for failure. Even though I know that is unfair.

I don't want TJ. But I think this is incredibly unfair and untrue. Honestly I think it's shameful.