This is why Prohm must go........

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I have a problem with the other post I quoted, not yours. I included your post because you were the only one who even attempted to correct the poster by suggesting that McDermott's worst was worse than 16 wins. I was going the next step by showing that he never even got to 16 wins.

I kinda thought so, but I was writing today and the brain is tired.
We need something better than discussing bad records.
 
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At ISU can't you buy multiple seats with just one donation? Aren't the donations good for both your football and basketball season ticket obligations? It appears that at many schools they are listing a per seat donation.

Yes. My donation allows me to buy season tickets to football and basketball (and the other sports if I so choose).
 
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Halli——————Tre
Bolton—————Tre
Johnson
Griffin—————Foster
Conditt————-Solo

This years team sucks but I think we get better next year just by losing Jacobson and Nixon.

If Halliburton stays, it’s not like he’s definitely coming back to a **** show, that’s a decent roster up there with guys
That's without the other 3 recruits coming in, or Javahn Johnson, the transfer from Troy that's currently on the team but is sitting this year.
 

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Prohms teams might have better wins, but I challenge you to find a worse loss than famu that McDermott had, or a worse home beat down than Kansas gave us this year.
Possibly, but he did manage to lose to UNI in 2006 by 13 in CF and then turn around and help Drake to its first winning season in over two decades by getting beat by them in Hilton in the very next game. Drake finished the season 17-15; UNI 18-13.

The next year, he lost to UNI at home by 13 and a couple of games later in Des Moines to Drake by 35. UNI finished 18-14 on the year. Drake proved to be very good finishing with only 5 losses.

In 2008-09 he had home losses to South Dakota State (only by 7), Missouri by 14 and Kansas by 15. He lost at Missouri by 31.

In 2009-10 he lost to Kansas in Hilton by 23.
 
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Possibly, but he did manage to lose to UNI by 13 in CF and then turn around and help Drake to its first winning season in over two decades by getting beat by them in Hilton in the very next game. Drake finished the season 17-15; UNI 18-13.
If we played drake, maybe.
 

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This is not necessarily true.

Fred Hoiberg shot .260 from three his freshman year on 50 attempts. He improved going .367, .450 and .412 his final three years. He kept working on it and improving culminating with shooting .483 and leading the league his final year in the NBA.

Yes, Fred Hoiberg is a single person who did this.
 

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Yeah Nixon as a 5th year senior isn't going to all of a sudden turn it on the rest of the year, but saying Jackson and Grill won't figure out their stroke would be illogical to say. People forget that Grill and Jackson were in high school last year and because the line got moved even farther back in CBB this year, their transition becomes even harder. It happens to great college shooters who go to the NBA as well. It can take a lot of time to figure out your shot from one level to the next.

Yep, which is why I included Jackson with our good shooters of the past. He and Grill have a decent pedigree when it comes to their shooting ability, so I expect them to be above 35% sooner rather than later.

But there aren't a lot of guys who are average shooters in high school that become good shooters in college. It's probably the most practiced skill at all levels, so habits are hard to break, and the ceiling for improvement is the lowest.
 

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My six years in Ames corresponded with one year of Morgan, all of McDermott, and one year of Hoiberg. Trust me, I remember some bad basketball.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

The problem is -- assume the Prohm era ends with a whimper and we move onto the next guy. Nothing says that cannot happen again if we **** up the hire.

Prohm is really trying my patience right now, but the haters on here do not seem very concerned with that downside risk. Prohm has proven he can win at Iowa State and has recruited a very competitive, even championship-caliber (as the haters insisted again and again) level team. Moving on from that does not guarantee you improve. It could send you on the downside of the cone of outcomes, like with our wookie friend.

Hold my beer. ;)

Glen Anderson, Maury John :( and Ken Trickey. The bookends there had a 20 game loss season each while I was still around Ames/DSM.

After Maury John died of cancer we didn't have a winning season for another ten years. Ten ******* years. John was a huge hire at the time, nabbing a Final Four coach to coach in the then brand new Hilton. Might still have hired Johnny at some point but he won't likely be seen as the savior but maybe more of the successor to the program Maury might have built. Biggest coulda been in Cyclone history for hoops.
 

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I don't have the longevity of your claims HOWEVER, I was there 2007-2009 so I got two years of Chizik and two years of McDermott. You might be able to equal that but that's a career 38.6% winning percentage.
 
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Yes, Fred Hoiberg is a single person who did this.
He's not unique. Just this year, Fatts Russell (all name team) of Rhode Island is proving it can be done again even with the new arc. The last two years he shot .298 and .223 with over 100 attempts each year. This year he is shooting .385 on over 50 attempts.

Mike McGuirl of K State shot poorly his first two seasons. I would probably throw out the freshman .238 since it was only 21 attempts. However last year he shot 65 threes at a .277 pace. Don't look now, but he is shooting .481 on 52 attempts this year.

Want another ISU example? Abdel Nader: .299, .277, .217 then .371. In the NBA he has been .354, .320 and .364.
 
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If the season continues to go this way and TH declares, there is pretty much no reason for optimism for next year. What happens to donations, ticket sales, merchandise, etc. revenue in a situation like that? Getting through another year shaves off $ on the buyout, but it's more complicated than that.

Not advocating for one move or the other, but I think the argument that waiting a year saves the reduction in the buyout and assumes everything else is static is very flawed. If this team finishes with 10-11 wins and keeps getting blown out by good teams and losing at home, and TH leaves for the NBA, there will be a significant loss of revenue for the program next year, and if things don't improve those losses are going to compound the following year until there is something to generate excitement in the fanbase again.

Ticket sales might drop of some, donations will stay the same, I'm guessing. The success in FB will cover the slack in BB. Most people who have their season tickets are in it for the long haul they've made the commitment to spend X amount of dollars on ISU athletics. Single game tkt sales will decline we've seen that already this yr with the text sales alerts coming over phones on the day before the game. The big donors aren't going anywhere IMHO.
 
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Just went to wiki to look at that 2018 NBA draft Bridges stayed for. Not exactly a loaded field, so he didn't take a huge chance there.

But he made the commitment to stay. There was still a chance that he could have gotten injured etc... So give the kid some credit.
 

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Ticket sales might drop of some, donations will stay the same, I'm guessing. The success in FB will cover the slack in BB. Most people who have their season tickets are in it for the long haul they've made the commitment to spend X amount of dollars on ISU athletics. Single game tkt sales will decline we've seen that already this yr with the text sales alerts coming over phones on the day before the game. The big donors aren't going anywhere IMHO.

^This. All of the posting and speculating about how the parquet level folks are going to bail is seemingly just trash talking by folks who aren't in the parquet or even ticket holders at all for that matter. I only know one parquet level MBB poster here and he ain't bailing for one bad or two bad years. Peeps didn't bail when the largest portion of their ticket cost, the donation, was no longer deductible like it was.
 

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^This. All of the posting and speculating about how the parquet level folks are going to bail is seemingly just trash talking by folks who aren't in the parquet or even ticket holders at all for that matter. I only know one parquet level MBB poster here and he ain't bailing for one bad or two bad years. Peeps didn't bail when the largest portion of their ticket cost, the donation, was no longer deductible like it was.
Quite right. I know a guy with a group of 6 (I think) parquet seats and they won't ever be giving those up. I think his son and grandkids already have plans for them.
 
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Quite right. I know a guy with a group of 6 (I think) parquet seats and they won't ever be giving those up. I think his son and grandkids already have plans for them.

Just checked Ticketmaster via ISU ticket sales looking for tickets to KSU. Thinking about popping down I-35 for a double header next weekend, with both WBB/MBB at Hilton Saturday. Only 12 tickets listed in the parquet, six pairs. Always a pain trying to find a single. Maybe more will pop up next week. Might have to buy a pair and find a friend to treat.

Damnit, hope the weather gods don't see this. they kinda hate me.
 
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