Yes, let's bring back Greg McDermott if you think Prohm is so awful, you bunch of ******* ******** couch coaches.
Will Prohm ever win a championship?
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Maybe SP needs better assistant coaches. If he has good advisors, he makes better in-game decisions and better substitutions. There has been a fall off since TJ left and David Hobbs came on board. There have also been more discipline issues. Maybe it wasn't a good idea for SP to hire someone who used to be his boss. Makes you wonder what goes on in coaching discussions because of that dynamic.
Ok, David Hobbs- I’ve been wondering who the hell the old guy on the bench was. Somehow I totally missed him. Seems like the other assistants get mentioned all the time and I’ve never heard his name before.
I’m assuming that’s cause he doesn’t recruit?
I’m assuming that’s cause he doesn’t recruit?
This team - at least as far as I'm concerned - has overachieved to this point. Four road wins in this conference is one hell of an accomplishment, no matter the situation. I will agree that I am disappointed in the team's inability to defend their home floor, because if they had, we would be cruising toward the title.
But my expectations beginning this season were to make the tournament, and I think it's safe to say they will. (Still #13 on KenPom this morning, #15 on NCAA NET rankings.) I will admit my hopes were very high a couple weeks ago, and that may have been unrealistic.
We have four new starters plus one carryover - from a team that finished dead last a year ago. I see growth on defense, regardless of the shortcomings of the past two weeks. My main concern is to much reliance on outside shots, and that's probably to be expected when you are starting four guards.
I fully expect this team to bounce back tonight, I just hope enough fans brave the conditions to get out and support them.
And as far as coaching shortcomings.....I seem to remember Hoiberg's teams paying little attention to defense, and the rumors about practice being soft turned out to be true.
No coach is perfect. But I'm perfectly happy with the results CSP has achieved so far, and I do have expectations that he will grow as a coach, as will his success.
GO CYCLONES!!!!!
But my expectations beginning this season were to make the tournament, and I think it's safe to say they will. (Still #13 on KenPom this morning, #15 on NCAA NET rankings.) I will admit my hopes were very high a couple weeks ago, and that may have been unrealistic.
We have four new starters plus one carryover - from a team that finished dead last a year ago. I see growth on defense, regardless of the shortcomings of the past two weeks. My main concern is to much reliance on outside shots, and that's probably to be expected when you are starting four guards.
I fully expect this team to bounce back tonight, I just hope enough fans brave the conditions to get out and support them.
And as far as coaching shortcomings.....I seem to remember Hoiberg's teams paying little attention to defense, and the rumors about practice being soft turned out to be true.
No coach is perfect. But I'm perfectly happy with the results CSP has achieved so far, and I do have expectations that he will grow as a coach, as will his success.
GO CYCLONES!!!!!
The Big 12 seed argument is stupid. So if we happen to finish tied for second but get the 5th seed you’re going with a down tick? That’s hilariously stupid.
Hobbs isn't a coach, he's a special assistant to the coach. Think of his role as similar to how college football uses "consultants".
Boy am I glad I've taken a step back from this site for the past few weeks..
Prohm is doing a great job recruiting. As far as championships go, how many have we won in the history of the program? A total of 6. The conference is a lot stronger across the board.
For those that say, but the computers state we had the easiest schedule or we have X% chance to win the conference, you still have to play the game.
Unfortunately we can't close out the big games right now. We have the players, but I think we have a lot of chefs in the kitchen who are trying to do too much themselves instead of playing as a team when it counts. Especially when we need a big basket or to try and win the game.
We have a lot of talent, on the team and when they get on the court some of them appear to be trying to do too much to show they deserve more playing time. Everybody has a role, but they need to realize what that role is. Just my 2 cents.
For those that say, but the computers state we had the easiest schedule or we have X% chance to win the conference, you still have to play the game.
Unfortunately we can't close out the big games right now. We have the players, but I think we have a lot of chefs in the kitchen who are trying to do too much themselves instead of playing as a team when it counts. Especially when we need a big basket or to try and win the game.
We have a lot of talent, on the team and when they get on the court some of them appear to be trying to do too much to show they deserve more playing time. Everybody has a role, but they need to realize what that role is. Just my 2 cents.
I saw this thread this morning and just shook my head. I only read a small portion but enough to conclude that some of you people need to be on "goemaw.com" rather than here. It's a site for the thoughtless in puberty.
CSP has gathered as talented a group of youngsters as there is in the league. Whether they're the most talented is conjecture not fact. They are still comparatively young, like Ku, but unlike TxT and K-State. And experience matters for talented players and coaches as well whether some of you accept that reality or not. If they hang around, ISU will be a (the) B12 favorite going into next season and rightfully so.
Take a breath, people. Beat Ku!
CSP has gathered as talented a group of youngsters as there is in the league. Whether they're the most talented is conjecture not fact. They are still comparatively young, like Ku, but unlike TxT and K-State. And experience matters for talented players and coaches as well whether some of you accept that reality or not. If they hang around, ISU will be a (the) B12 favorite going into next season and rightfully so.
Take a breath, people. Beat Ku!
This is very well put.
I am not to the point of suggesting Prohm be fired, or even on the hot seat. But I also don't see what he's accomplished over his first 3 years that would leave anyone thinking "he's 100 percent the guy."
I would characterize his first year as underachieving. I mean, that team had 5 dudes that would go on to see NBA minutes. Plus Matt Thomas who was no slouch. 23-12 regular season, 10-8 Big 12 and a Sweet 16 aided in part by having to play Iona and Arkansas Little Rock. I know he was in a tough spot inheriting "Fred's team", but it's hard to characterize that team as doing anything more than underachieving.
The 2016-2017 started off a little rough. But to Steve's credit he got that team playing well by the end of the year and but/for a tough start against Purdue really had developed that team into a tough out. I'll give him credit for that.
The 2017-2018 was horrible. I get the roster imbalance, and I get the young roster. But really these are the types of years that shouldn't happen if you consider yourself a basketball school. Middle of the Big 12 fighting for a spot on the bubble is one thing, dead last in the conference is another.
So far this year I think it's been fluid. I think expectations were tempered early on until we realized what we had in Tyrese, THT, Shayok and Jacobson. Once you realized how good those 4 were, and added in Babb, Lard and Wiggy, expectations shifted. Several national pundits said we were the most talented team in the Big 12. At moments we looked that way. So a team that was projected to be mid-Big 12 and probably at or near the bubble suddenly was a contender. It's fair to then shift your own expectations to that. And just when it looked like we had a chance the wheels fell off.
As was stated before, I could handle if Kansas got hot or K State got hot and we lost a close race. But we've played ourselves right out of it, and I see the same thing going on over and over again. Teams outwork us on the boards, we can't stop the drive and we struggle to execute offensively. And I guess I just don't see what Prohm is doing to change any of that.
The next month will be very, very important for Prohm going forward. If we limp into the conference tournament, maybe make a semifinal and get knocked out in the first round of the tournament I think he will have done quite a bit of damage to his goodwill around here. If it works out like the 2016-2017 team does where they get hot at the right time, win some late regular season games and win some tournament games, I think he will have done much more to earn himself the benefit of the doubt. But if I were to characterize the first 3+ years they would get a resounding "meh".
It’s so stupid funny and sad that people won’t even admit to what they’re saying.
Every post is critical of the coach, pointing out flaws, and diminishing accomplishments.
But then they say, hey I’m not saying he should be fired. I just wasted minutes and hours of my life talking about how he’s bad, and we should be so much better, but he should keep his job.
Well, if he is so bad, then why do you want him to remain the coach?
Every post is critical of the coach, pointing out flaws, and diminishing accomplishments.
But then they say, hey I’m not saying he should be fired. I just wasted minutes and hours of my life talking about how he’s bad, and we should be so much better, but he should keep his job.
Well, if he is so bad, then why do you want him to remain the coach?
You guys are talking about a coaching change in a season where we will likely finish with the best KenPom rating we've ever had. Lol, what a bunch of morons.
Get some perspective.
Get some perspective.
It almost seems like it goes beyond basketball doesn’t it?
I don't think they have the most talented team in the league.
And that's the problem.....who defines the "standard" on which to maintain and improve?
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I mean JFC, in 2015 Fred got swept by Baylor and lost to Tech to throw away a Big 12 championship. The way Prohm is treated around here compared to Campbell and Hoiberg is incredibly unfair and honestly, I think people should maybe be more worried about him heading home instead of replacing him.
I disagree that if an opening should occur in the next few years that TJ should or would be the first phone call. Daum is a great player but so is Jenkins and I suspect he will stay and continue to wait for the proper opportunity. I’m curious why there are a select few that hate TJ so much. Is it the Hoiberg tie? Is it the fact he left to go to Washington? Is it really the fact you don’t think the AD will do his job on the next search?
Steve Prohm is a great guy but as far as I have ever heard/known so is TJ. I just don’t get it.
CycloneErik
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I don't know. Maybe because everyone that's ever had a job had things they could do better. It's not all "promote or fire," or whatever black and white way you're painting it.
