Talking about a coaching change is stupid but citing a KenPom rating is also kind of dumb.
Will Prohm ever win a championship?
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Talking about a coaching change is stupid but citing a KenPom rating is also kind of dumb.
They are actually about right where I thought they would be when looking at the team before the season but got there in a different way than I thought.
This is spot ******* on. Also these are the fans that disregard anything Prohm did early because ‘well those were Fred players so...’. All that does when someone says something like that is tell me they’ve already made up their mind despite them trying not to act like they haven’t.
In 2014, Hoiberg lost to OU (32), Texas(41), WVU (58), KSU (45) to throw away the conference title.
In 2013, we lost to TTU (239!), Texas (94), and OU (51) to cost us the title. We were also swept by KU.
In 2013, we lost to TTU (239!), Texas (94), and OU (51) to cost us the title. We were also swept by KU.
They got ****** CSP's last year at Murray. They should have gotten an at large bid...
Got it. Let's not look at actual performance data. Let's go with the yes of people who have next to zero clue what they're talking about.
Characterizing a Sweet 16 team as ISU as underachieving is pretty unrealistic. One team has gone further in 75 years.
To look at that roster and think the talent is such that a Sweet 16 is underachieving is pretty silly to me. Jr. Monte has worked his way into a valuable rotational player in the NBA. Burton wasn't eligible until the 2nd semester. Niang was obviously great. But basically you've got a rotational NBA guy and a couple that if they are lucky might be journeymen. Yes, that team had good players, but when you compare it to what teams typically have across CBB, either in terms of recruiting rankings or what they do in the NBA, it doesn't jump out as being loaded with talent. Certainly not to the level that anybody would say that a #4 seed and Sweet 16 were underachieving, especially with a change in coaches.
We had two consecutive years where the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA, including a generational talent in Ben Simmons, did not even sniff the tournament.
As for this year, I understand the frustration with the losses, but these are to teams that are going to make the tournament. Yesterday Villanova gets housed by a team probably struggling to make the NIT. Villanova returns two starters and two bench role players from the National Champs, got the most sought after grad transfer, and for perspective, THT would've been the 4th best recruit in their class this year. And they are probably going to be seeded similarly to ISU this year. That with a HOF coach, and a guy that cannot be argued is anything less than a top 5 coach in the country.
Given the random nature of the tournament, I think NCAA tourney seed is a good way to judge a coach. Right now ISU is looking at about a 5 seed, meaning in 4 years Prohm would have a 4, 5 and a 5. Orr never had a 5 or better. Floyd had one 5. Larry had two 2s, and missed the tournament his other three seasons. Fred had two 3s.
This team is still very good and that needs to be kept in mind even after the last few games. It is February 25th and we have lost two games by more than five points. Let me give everyone some context these are the numbers of games lost by five points or less. Overtime games are excluded.
2018-19 as of Feb. 24 (2)
2017-18: 14
2016-17: 5
2015-16: 4
2014-15: 4
2013-14: 6
2012-13: 6
2011-12: 10
2010-11: 8
You know why Kenpom likes this team because they are really good. The coaching debate should wait until after the season and as my posting history indicates I have concerns about our record in games decided by 5 points or less where play making and in-games are imperative but this team can compete with anyone when they are right.
Hopefully they take a step toward “getting right” tonight.
2018-19 as of Feb. 24 (2)
2017-18: 14
2016-17: 5
2015-16: 4
2014-15: 4
2013-14: 6
2012-13: 6
2011-12: 10
2010-11: 8
You know why Kenpom likes this team because they are really good. The coaching debate should wait until after the season and as my posting history indicates I have concerns about our record in games decided by 5 points or less where play making and in-games are imperative but this team can compete with anyone when they are right.
Hopefully they take a step toward “getting right” tonight.
Give it time. The more coaches stay at a school the more harsh the criticism becomes as the program plateaus.
And the longer they're gone, the better they get.
I am just saying it doesn't mean anything if you are looking why you should keep or get rid of a coach. It is a predictive measure. At the end of the day what matters is wins and losses not how high you finished the season in ken pom. Banners aren't hung for your kenpom ranking. I love kenpom and other efficiency models but theoretically you could have a horrible win loss record but have a great efficiency rating. Hey guys I know we didn't make the tournament, but look at our Kenpom rating!
I think NBA talent is not the best way to always judge a college basketball team. Let me ask you would you have have rather had Markelle Fultz leading your team or Buddy Hield, Niang, Frank Mason or Jevon Carter? I wouldn’t have taken Fultz over any of those 4 on my college team. The fact Niang is a journeyman doesn’t mean that he was anything other than elite in college.
This is the best post in this dumb thread. Hoiberg was great, but some people can't admit the guy ever lost a game, let alone in the 1st round of the Tourney with one of the most talented teams we have ever had.
I'll agree the team, on paper, should have gone further. Iirc there was only 6 players that played. Only 2 bigs, with McKay having serious issues.
Burton was the 6th man in, but only played 2nd semester and had major motivation issues. That's it.
Any foul trouble and we were hosed.
No, I think this is a really good team that has a lot in front of it to achieve. Need to win close games and that falls on the players and the staff both. I think the data indicates we could still accomplish some great things this year. Sorry I’m not engaging in the “cat fighting” for the next month. I’m going to enjoy the last few games with this squad and then we have the entire off-season to evaluate the season (coaching) and the roster make-up decisions.
I agree with aeroclone but to me it seems like they are missing a leader. We had that in spades with Niang, Monte and Naz. Babb should be that guy but I don't see that being his personality. Jacobson could be that but he's not on the court as often. I see Haliburton being that leader but as he's a freshman, he might not see that as his role.
