Royce White on ESPN today

[Cyclone.TV]

Maybe Royce didn't want to have a heart to heart with you. He was not required to answer anyone's questions. You seem like you feel you are entitled to answers from him and you are not.

He was most likely already ticked off because there were already people bashing him before he made his presence known.

Entitled to answers? I’ve said multiple times he didn’t have to answer them. I’m pointing out that I wasn’t being a **** by simply asking questions about the mental health policies that he is talking about. He came on this site to do what, then? Just defend himself from those people? Ok, that’s fine, but it’s not me being an ******* for asking legitimate questions.

 

[isufbcurt]

He's unemployable if he misses too much work and he appears to be saying that he has no way to predict his availability. People get legally fired all the time for missing too much work, even though their attendance problems are health-related.

At some point and depending on the circumstances of the job, if you miss too much work, you are no longer qualified for the job. If you qualify for FMLA, you get 12 weeks/year and beyond that the ADA says that the employer only has to provide reasonable (which is contextual) attendance-related accommodations. That does not mean unlimited absence.

And that's exactly why he wanted a policy in place.

 

[Nader_uggghhh]

Entitled to answers? I’ve said multiple times he didn’t have to answer them. I’m pointing out that I wasn’t being a **** by simply asking questions about the mental health policies that he is talking about. He came on this site to do what, then? Just defend himself from those people? Ok, that’s fine, but it’s not me being an ******* for asking legitimate questions.

Why are you trying so hard to validate yourself? You were passive aggressive and condescending right off the bat, not engaging at any point. Royce was too. Only difference is he had a reason to feel attacked.

I don't agree with a lot of what Royce has to say and I don't think he would be care much about this issue if it didn' involve him. That doesn't mean that you weren't a **** because he didn't answer your questions exactly like you wanted him to.

 

[LutherBlue]

And that's exactly why he wanted a policy in place.

If he says, "the league is doing it wrong," I think it is fair to ask him if he has a sense of what it would look like if they were doing it right.

All I have seen is the comment attributed to him that teams should employ a mental health provider that would tell the team - apparently on a day-to-day basis - whether Royce could play. I imagine the league would argue that is not reasonable because it is potentially too disruptive to the workplace.

 

[isufbcurt]

If he says, "the league is doing it wrong," I think it is fair to ask him if he has a sense of what it would look like if they were doing it right.

All I have seen is the comment attributed to him that teams should employ a mental health provider that would tell the team - apparently on a day-to-day basis - whether Royce could play. I imagine the league would argue that is not reasonable because it is potentially too disruptive to the workplace.

I understand that, but I also don't think it is the common persons (us) business as to what he thinks should be in place. Imo those details are between him, the doctors and the league.

 

[LutherBlue]

I understand that, but I also don't think it is the common persons (us) business as to what he thinks should be in place. Imo those details are between him, the doctors and the league.

That's entirely fair but he seems to be very public with his criticism.

 

[cyfan964]

I always find it entertaining when people without mental health issues try to solve problems by saying, "well he should just not do it that way."

It's similar to telling a person with cancer... "well just don't have cancer." Mental health is not something you choose to have. I don't think he needs to have the perfect plan in place to want SOMETHING to be in place.

 

[Rabbuk]

He never answered why the ADA isn't sufficient. I say that as someone who has a mental illness

 

[Cyclone.TV]

Why are you trying so hard to validate yourself? You were passive aggressive and condescending right off the bat, not engaging at any point. Royce was too. Only difference is he had a reason to feel attacked.

I don't agree with a lot of what Royce has to say and I don't think he would be care much about this issue if it didn' involve him. That doesn't mean that you weren't a **** because he didn't answer your questions exactly like you wanted him to.

Passive aggressive? That is impressive how you can decipher that from some questions that I asked.

 

[SpokaneCY]

But yet people wake up everyday and stay home from work from an anxiety issue but yet they are still employable.

Not as stars of their corporations. The NBA is an entertainment organization. If the entertainers can't consistently entertain the masses and make money for the owners, they can get lots of other entertainers.

 

[srjclone]

Passive aggressive? That is impressive how you can decipher that from some questions that I asked.

maybe he's from Minnesota?

 

[SpokaneCY]

My personal motto is basically "Don't be an ass


Would those boundaries be defined by that employers Mental Health Policy?

Maybe what Royce wanted specifically just wouldn't ever work with the NBA. That's actually pretty likely. But it's also possible that part of the problem was that the NBA doesn't have a Mental Health Policy in effect.

Again - what is this nebulous mental health policy? Why can't it be summed up in a few broad bullet points like the family medical leave act where there are easily understandable parameters? Have a baby, get sick, X days of leave paid or unpaid. The NFL concussion policy is a great example. The zero tolerance policy for drugs and abuse.

For many of us it just sounds like "someone outta do something" but RW has no presentation of what the "something" is - at least to me.

 

[SpokaneCY]

My point is why would he be unemployable for missing some work do to mental health reasons when non-Royce White people miss work for mental health reasons.

Nobody pays to watch me administer a contract. RW was getting millions for MINUTES of work - not decades and decades of work - so you'd think you'd want a more consistent employee with such an investment.

 

[SpokaneCY]

And that's perfectly fine. If Royce's issues extended far enough that they couldn't make it work, then that's how it has to be. But it also should be defined by a specific Mental Health policy and not just up to the GM to decide if they want to work with someone.
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This assumes RW has some right to be an NBA player. He's as employable as he wants to be but his chosen field might just not be the right fit for him. He's a talent but he's not a fit for the NBA. And the NBA has a very eager talent pool to draw from making his demands even less likely to be addressed to his satisfaction.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Maybe Royce didn't want to have a heart to heart with you. He was not required to answer anyone's questions. .

But ISN'T he though? By taking the big stage on the largest media outlets and making all these statements? Isn't that part of the territory?

 

[VeloClone]

If he says, "the league is doing it wrong," I think it is fair to ask him if he has a sense of what it would look like if they were doing it right.

All I have seen is the comment attributed to him that teams should employ a mental health provider that would tell the team - apparently on a day-to-day basis - whether Royce could play. I imagine the league would argue that is not reasonable because it is potentially too disruptive to the workplace.

It is pretty easy to see nothing and say that that isn't doing it right. He knows about his mental issue but he doesn't really know about other mental health issues. What works for him may not work for others. When he says they should get experts together to come up with a league-wide plan I think that is fair.

 

[VeloClone]

Nobody pays to watch me administer a contract. RW was getting millions for MINUTES of work - not decades and decades of work - so you'd think you'd want a more consistent employee with such an investment.

Yes, NBA players are highly paid, but if you think the demands of a pro athlete amount to "minutes of work" you need to get out more. Between practice, publicity engagements, travel, etc. there is a lot more to being a pro BB player than 48 minutes every few days.

 

[Cyclone.TV]

It is pretty easy to see nothing and say that that isn't doing it right. He knows about his mental issue but he doesn't really know about other mental health issues. What works for him may not work for others. When he says they should get experts together to come up with a league-wide plan I think that is fair.

A big problem is everyone who has a mental health problem is different, to a certain degree. One persons depression is different than another’s. One persons anxiety is different from another’s. Not sure how a policy could be written for that.

A team doctor that could help at home and on the road would be a good start, but I’m not sure how you could make a specific policy for each and every issue.

 

[CloneFan4]

A big problem is everyone who has a mental health problem is different, to a certain degree. One persons depression is different than another’s. One persons anxiety is different from another’s. Not sure how a policy could be written for that.

A team doctor that could help at home and on the road would be a good start, but I’m not sure how you could make a specific policy for each and every issue.

This. I found it incredibly amusing that he had the gall to tell me that my view on MY anxiety and MY depression is wrong in the previous thread.

He slings **** at the wall hoping it sticks. He doesn't deserve the platform he's been afforded.

 

[VeloClone]

A big problem is everyone who has a mental health problem is different, to a certain degree. One persons depression is different than another’s. One persons anxiety is different from another’s. Not sure how a policy could be written for that.

A team doctor that could help at home and on the road would be a good start, but I’m not sure how you could make a specific policy for each and every issue.

You don't put a policy in place for every single mental health issue. You put a procedure in place for determining who helps develop and when they develop a way to work with a player, coach or any other employee who has an issue they are dealing with.