The Nick Babb Complex

I think many people over reacted to far one way when CSP said Babb had the most NBA potential, just the same way people are over reacting the other way right now because he hasn't dominated the CCL. I think his play this year will be in the middle somewhere.
 
The date cutoff is intentional since just a couple of years before Lafester went from scoring 2.8 to 22.5.
And the year before that Tom Schafer went from 4 to 18.

And two years before that Sam Hill went from 2.1 to 10.1

And a few years before that Ron Falenschek went from 3.0 to 10.5
 
And the year before that Tom Schafer went from 4 to 18.

And two years before that Sam Hill went from 2.1 to 10.1

And a few years before that Ron Falenschek went from 3.0 to 10.5

There is a difference between possible and likely. If it happens, we will benefit greatly.
 
Nick is handy to have around. He has shown he can fill in at spots 1-4. That's pretty valuable with a short roster and fouls/injuries.
I agree with this. Problem is, the kid is a poor shooter. He will play a role, I think he may start, but he has limited offensive skills.
 
There is a difference between possible and likely. If it happens, we will benefit greatly.
Carefully choosing a time frame of since 1990 so that no player has hit those parameters is misleading since I found 4 players in a very cursory search of the decade before.
 
Carefully choosing a time frame of since 1990 so that no player has hit those parameters is misleading since I found 4 players in a very cursory search of the decade before.

You found examples, it is possible. Not all players make that kind of jump.
 
You found examples, it is possible. Not all players make that kind of jump.
I guess I don't remember every post in this thread, but I find it highly unlikely that anyone suggested that all players make that kind of jump.

Besides, why the 4 point cut off? I realize that Nader scored 5.8, not 4 his first season but he increased his scoring by 7.1 ppg not the 6 points Babb would need to go from 4 to 10.
 
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I just think 4/16 at the 3 will make it difficult to do better than 8ppg unless that stat changes.
 
I just think 4/16 at the 3 will make it difficult to do better than 8ppg unless that stat changes.
I'm sure that stat will change. Heck you have already changed it because he wasn't 4 of 16.

He was 8 of 26. I don't think he will be a career .300 shooter. He finished the season (February and March) hitting at a .500 clip (4-8). I don't think he is a .500 shooter either.
 
The number of players that have scored 4.0 ppg or less to the number of players who scored 10 ppg since 1990 in the ISU program totals zero. I might have missed one but that big of a jump is huge.

Not within your parameters but Nader and Matty-T come to mind. Their leaps in EFG and general production from So. to Jr. year was nothing short of incredible. Prohm can develop and we just brought in Nick Graham. Not claiming Babb will be a world beater but I don't enjoy seeing people write him off as a finished product.
 
It seems like this offseason a good majority of our fan base (and a lot of posters who I respect) have an inferiority complex with Babb and I'm curious to hear why... and it's not just because "Prohm said he had the most NBA potential." Early last season Naz was shooting TERRIBLE and a good lot of you were calling for Babb to start over him. To me his biggest problem was finishing whilst moving at the speed of light... ALWAYS missed hard off the glass. He can get by anyone at will, doesn't make silly mistakes, plays great D and can play/guard 1-4 if needed. IMO the development of his shot will have the biggest impact on the success of our season. Wigginton isn't a great shooter yet, I don't have confidence in DJ to run an offense or finish in the lane. I do with Babb. For this season I have visions of Babb, LW and the occasional Lard running a blazing fast break with a trailing DJ, Lewis and maybe even Solomon for 3. So I guess the question is: Why do the greatest fan in the country **** on him and why does everyone condone it?

To me, he's a guy that hasn't shown it yet with any consistency. This is his 3rd (??) year in a major college program and he may simply have a case of the early MattThomas' when his confidence (and his shot) were off. Never saw Matt with any negative body language but you can see Nick getting caught in the moment at times.

A little confidence goes a long way if you have an underlying skill set.
 
I agree with this. Problem is, the kid is a poor shooter. He will play a role, I think he may start, but he has limited offensive skills.

45% overall and 30% from 3 is nowhere near poor. Not incredible, but not poor.
 
Nick is going to be just fine, and a key member for this team. I think he will get 25+ minutes, just due to his versatility, starting or not. And we are going to need him.

Anyone remember Stevie Johnson? Sort of in that vein, doing whatever needs to be done, but much more skilled offensively of course.
 
I'm actually the most excited to watch Nick this year as I'm guessing his role will give him more opportunity to play his game after everybody gets on the same page.
I guess, I just liked the way he played last year. Does he have that killer instinct where he knows he's better than you, who knows, but I think it's in him.

Big Babb Fan/Supporter!
 
45% overall and 30% from 3 is nowhere near poor. Not incredible, but not poor.

Better than I expected, but still not great. He must have had a few really bad streaks in there somewhere, as what sticks in my mind is him bricking several shots and then stopped shooting. Probably faulty memory on my part. I hope for the best, but I am not expecting him to suddenly be a scoring machine.

My bigger concern is that there seems to be several average shooters on this years team. It will be hard to spread teams out when there are a lot less threats from 3.