What's your expectation for him? My realistic expectation for him is he'll average 11-14 ppg 9-12 rpg by his senior year. At 6'8 240 he has the perfect body for a post player
Young shooting 3Ps next year?
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It really isn't that big of talk. Here's a quote from Hines' article with Prohm and he's talking about Young--
"He can make threes, and he'll shoot them next year."
Swanigan went from shooting 29% last year from 3, to 45% this year.
If Young puts the work in this summer there's no reason he can't shoot at least 35% from 3.
Go argue the point with Steve Prohm. . . . (see: Ames Tribune interview)
It's the first post. You don't even need to click on a link.
No, I don't. Again it's not mutually exclusive and moreso, MY view of priorities doesn't have any bearing on his growth. I'm saying that I think his development as a scoring threat in the post extended is as, if not more important than his development as a perimeter shooter. Prohm also mentions his skill level around the basket in the article...3 point shooting isn't the only thing he brought up. I have no doubt they'll work on rounding his entire game but what do you honestly think the coaches are going to spend more time (when it's restricted) on with him, his post game or his shooting? Keep in mind, he's 6-8, 240# and the ONLY experienced post we have returning. Yes he has a nice stroke but I'd be willing to bet that most of his allotted time with coaches will be spent working on his post game, first defensively, then offensively. The 300-500 shots a day from the perimeter? That's going to be him in the Sukup building at midnight with a manager losing their "Welch time" and he'll get better from all of it.
I've looked back through my posts and I honest to God can't figure out what I've said that you have such a problem with. I can read what Prohm said and I don't doubt that Solomon Young will shoot some threes next year. If that statement somehow makes you feel better then by all means, run with it. Will 3 point shooting be a major part of his game and the offense we run? I guess we'll see. Personally, I'd be surprised if he averages more than a couple attempts a game, but I sure won't be mad if he takes and makes more because that means defenses need to respect him out there. That said, I also know that this is a time of year where coaches everywhere tell the players a little of what they want to hear to keep them working hard in the off-season. Prohm says Solomon can make threes and he'll shoot them. Awesome. It'll be fun to see how well and often he does it.
I'm curious to see how Young develops. I like the idea of having him score from a variety of locations, but his presence was clearly more evident in the paint. The last half of the conference slate became a lot more fun to watch because Solo was getting put backs, boxing out defenders and grabbing the occasional offensive board. I think he can increase our inside-out game as well, which is going to be needed given the experience we're losing on the perimeter.
Even if we land Juiston, we don't need to bring Young on the perimeter to make room for Juiston to work. Just have him clear the lane a bit. It will give Young more opportunities to crash the boards after his defender leaves him to help out when Juiston blows by his guy. I already envision Juiston to Young lobs and vice versa.
IMO, we're going to need more offensive rebounds to compete this year. We're not going to be as efficient from behind the arc. I'm ok with some threes to make defenders have to respect it, but I want Young in the paint as much as possible.
Even if we land Juiston, we don't need to bring Young on the perimeter to make room for Juiston to work. Just have him clear the lane a bit. It will give Young more opportunities to crash the boards after his defender leaves him to help out when Juiston blows by his guy. I already envision Juiston to Young lobs and vice versa.
IMO, we're going to need more offensive rebounds to compete this year. We're not going to be as efficient from behind the arc. I'm ok with some threes to make defenders have to respect it, but I want Young in the paint as much as possible.
For me, I'm older school, and I would love to see Solomon Young working around the hoop, getting offensive rebounds, getting fouled, and shooting free throws. Another advantage of getting fouls on the opponent, (especially earlier in the game) is that it forces them to go to their bench.
ISU pulled a near miracle this year...through extraordinary ball handling they were able to eek out an extra possession per game with a significant negative offensive rebounding margin. That's not typical, as for the last three years ISU is averaging -3 extra possessions per game. That is a killer.
Below are some 2016-2017 stats for the E8 teams and ISU. I also threw Arizona in there because they were a 30-win team from a P5 conference. For the most part, relative to ISU, these teams shoot less 3pt shots, shoot more free throws, and rebound better on the offensive end, which leads to more offensive possessions. IMO, that is the direction ISU needs to head in order to win a regular season conference title and do something special in the NCAA tourney, because it is a more consistent way to score points.
Team,
points per game,
3pt shot attempts per game,
free throw attempts per game
free throw attempts per offensive play, %
offensive rebounding margin per game,
extra possessions per game
(In no particular order)
SC , 73, 20, 24, 29, 4, 6
FLA, 78, 21, 24, 29, 3, 4
UK , 86, 20, 26, 30, 5, 5
UNC, 85, 20, 22, 26, 6, 7
KU , 83, 22, 22, 26, 1, 2
ORE, 79, 23, 20, 25, 0, 2
XAV, 75, 20, 23, 29, 3, 2
GON, 83, 19, 23, 29, -1, 0
AZ , 77, 17, 22, 29, 1, 1
ISU, 81, 25, 17, 21, -3, 1
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/
ISU pulled a near miracle this year...through extraordinary ball handling they were able to eek out an extra possession per game with a significant negative offensive rebounding margin. That's not typical, as for the last three years ISU is averaging -3 extra possessions per game. That is a killer.
Below are some 2016-2017 stats for the E8 teams and ISU. I also threw Arizona in there because they were a 30-win team from a P5 conference. For the most part, relative to ISU, these teams shoot less 3pt shots, shoot more free throws, and rebound better on the offensive end, which leads to more offensive possessions. IMO, that is the direction ISU needs to head in order to win a regular season conference title and do something special in the NCAA tourney, because it is a more consistent way to score points.
Team,
points per game,
3pt shot attempts per game,
free throw attempts per game
free throw attempts per offensive play, %
offensive rebounding margin per game,
extra possessions per game
(In no particular order)
SC , 73, 20, 24, 29, 4, 6
FLA, 78, 21, 24, 29, 3, 4
UK , 86, 20, 26, 30, 5, 5
UNC, 85, 20, 22, 26, 6, 7
KU , 83, 22, 22, 26, 1, 2
ORE, 79, 23, 20, 25, 0, 2
XAV, 75, 20, 23, 29, 3, 2
GON, 83, 19, 23, 29, -1, 0
AZ , 77, 17, 22, 29, 1, 1
ISU, 81, 25, 17, 21, -3, 1
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/stats/
You also missed when you had no idea who Bonzi Colson was....
I predict Lard will be a pleasant surprise complimenting Young in the paint. Lard has far more athleticism and length than we had this year. He'll have eight months of practicing and conditioning before school starts 2017. I expect big things from him even as a freshman.
Like Prohm said, he's got upside. The point about length and athleticism is true. Without a scorer like we've had, it's important that gets leverage into better defense and rebounding imo
Not mutually exclusive. Having a post player who can occasionally pop from outside forces their defender - especially defenders who are uncomfortable guarding more than 10 feet from the basket - to keep honest. And post defenders also have a tendency to foul more when they have to guard someone outside their comfort zone. It also makes hedging on the pick and roll a nightmare if the big might just spot up and can a 3 while you are trying to hedge on the pick.
In addition, a 4 who pulls bigs outside the lane can force a sub for a smaller defender even before foul trouble.
I don't think anyone is hoping for a Young who plays a huge perimeter game, simply a taste out there that makes him that much harder to match up with.
"Better call Sol!"
He's not a center..SY is capable of hitting 3's..like other have said it's more hit 1-2 game for the threat which opens things up
I've said it on here before - I got to watch him at the Orlando tournament, shooting with a manager before a game. He had his (left hand) injury but he was hitting 70% from the top of the key. 30+ reps, maybe). He's got good mechanics and good rotation on the ball. I was impressed.
That said, I doubt his 3 will be a significant part of the offense but, as mentioned by others, he could hit the occasional 3 to keep his defender honest and spread the floor. We've seen a lot of guys improve their shots in the off-season.
One thing he doesn't seem to have, as opposed to Nader or Niang, is the ability to beat his defender off the dribble. So if he begins to his some 3's, they may play him tight beyond the arc since there would probably be a low threat of being beat off the bounce.
That said, I doubt his 3 will be a significant part of the offense but, as mentioned by others, he could hit the occasional 3 to keep his defender honest and spread the floor. We've seen a lot of guys improve their shots in the off-season.
One thing he doesn't seem to have, as opposed to Nader or Niang, is the ability to beat his defender off the dribble. So if he begins to his some 3's, they may play him tight beyond the arc since there would probably be a low threat of being beat off the bounce.
I'll be really disappointed if Solomon doesn't have the 3 point shot of JJ Redick, rebound like Derrick Coleman, and pass out of the post like Arvydas Sabonis.....by the time he's a junior. Really disappointed.
