unbelievable watch this

[keepngoal]

So your solution is let the kid continue to disobey not only the teacher and law enforcement while other kids are in the room so they can see they can do the same. The student wasn't getting up and wasn't giving up the phone. What would you do? I would have drug her out by her chair probably and I do agree the cop took it too far but whats the best route here then....

I'll return volley that question with a twist. What is your solution that doesn't escalate the situation?

my solution is to remove everyone else in that room creating a vacuum for this student. For those that love the forceful option, another way to handle this is for the school request she leaves the property, and if she doesn't the school reports her as trespassing, giving the cop his need of force and handcuffs he wants. Contempt of cop isn't permission for the use of force seen here.

 

[CyBri]

I'll return volley that question with a twist. What is your solution that doesn't escalate the situation?

my solution is to remove everyone else in that room creating a vacuum for this student. For those that love the forceful option, another way to handle this is for the school request she leaves the property, and if she doesn't the school reports her as trespassing, giving the cop his need of force and handcuffs he wants. Contempt of cop isn't permission for the use of force seen here.

Can't we just deal with problems head on anymore. This is ridiculous. She wouldn't do what she was told to do so they took care of it. Because this kid is a brat the cop lost his job. That doesn't seem fair to me. Could he have been more gentle? Probably but she isn't hurt and he got the job done. She got what was coming to her.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I'll return volley that question with a twist. What is your solution that doesn't escalate the situation?

my solution is to remove everyone else in that room creating a vacuum for this student. For those that love the forceful option, another way to handle this is for the school request she leaves the property, and if she doesn't the school reports her as trespassing, giving the cop his need of force and handcuffs he wants. Contempt of cop isn't permission for the use of force seen here.

Nice one.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Well this is stupid, its obviously a school that needs a SRO for a reason. This idiot student disobeys the teacher and then an officer too? The student obviously wouldn't get up so what is the officer supposed to do? Obviously everyone on CF would have handled this the "correct way an officer should" please.....

Waukee HS has an SRO probably.

 

[keepngoal]

Can't we just deal with problems head on anymore. This is ridiculous. She wouldn't do what she was told to do so they took care of it. Because this kid is a brat the cop lost his job. That doesn't seem fair to me. Could he have been more gentle? Probably but she isn't hurt and he got the job done. She got what was coming to her.

i raise my kids not to hit people, not sure you would do the same as it seems you agreeing with the use of force for contempt of cop. Think about that... MOST teach their kids not to use violence, but this cop (and others) use it far to quickly and in the wrong situation.

 

[MartyMcCy]

So your solution is let the kid continue to disobey not only the teacher and law enforcement while other kids are in the room so they can see they can do the same. The student wasn't getting up and wasn't giving up the phone. What would you do? I would have drug her out by her chair probably and I do agree the cop took it too far but whats the best route here then....

Option 1: Wheely chairs instead of chair/desk combos.

Option 2: A Curtain of Shame.

Option 3: SRO's in bubble wrap to gently remove the little rascal.

 

[CyBri]

i raise my kids not to hit people, not sure you would do the same as it seems you agreeing with the use of force for contempt of cop. Think about that... MOST teach their kids not to use violence, but this cop (and others) use it far to quickly and in the wrong situation.

Hitting people isn't the first option but some people can't be talked down. Eventually you need to take action or else the situation you are trying to diffuse won't stop or will get worse. Sometimes people need a reality check. You should teach your kids to not resort to violence but sometimes you have to do something. Knowing what situation calls for it is the tricky part. If talking resolved everything you would think we would have a sit down in the middle east and everything would be talked out. Some people on here need to grow up and live in the real world.

 

[keepngoal]

Hitting people isn't the first option but some people can't be talked down. Eventually you need to take action or else the situation you are trying to diffuse won't stop or will get worse. Sometimes people need a reality check. You should teach your kids to not resort to violence but sometimes you have to do something. Knowing what situation calls for it is the tricky part. If talking resolved everything you would think we would have a sit down in the middle east and everything would be talked out. Some people on here need to grow up and live in the real world.

what action do you suggest that doesn't escalate the situation, I gave 1.5 options. What are yours?

remember you want action towards a minor sitting in school not obeying rules (not laws).

 

[CyBri]

what action do you suggest that doesn't escalate the situation, I gave 1.5 options. What are yours?

remember you want action towards a minor sitting in school not obeying rules (not laws).

The School has a teacher, principal, and councilor. Their job is to talk to the student. When a cop is called his job is to take care of the situation. He is not a councilor. Today these kids think that the police can't do anything to them so they just do whatever they want. People like you allow this activity to continue. The cop did his job. The student was asked to leave. She didn't. He was called in to make her leave and that's what he did.

 

[isufbcurt]

Just think if he would have shot the girl he would have kept his job.

 

[DiehardClone]

The School has a teacher, principal, and councilor. Their job is to talk to the student. When a cop is called his job is to take care of the situation. He is not a councilor. Today these kids think that the police can't do anything to them so they just do whatever they want. People like you allow this activity to continue. The cop did his job. The student was asked to leave. She didn't. He was called in to make her leave and that's what he did.

When the sheriff was asked what the officer did wrong, the sheriff replied, "Let me tell you what he should not have done. He should not have thrown the student."

There seems to be a tendency to try to make this more complicated, but it's really that simple.

It amazes me how many people seem to need a black-and-white solution to every situation. In this thread it has come in arguments along the lines of, "Either the student was in the wrong OR the cop was in the wrong. So if you're criticizing the cop, you must believe the student was acting like an angel."

Some of us have argued that both the student and the cop were in the wrong. Now that the sheriff has fired the cop - and criticized both the student and the cop - maybe it can be understood that this situation involved two people who made incredibly stupid choices. And both should be held accountable (not just the cop).

 

[3TrueFans]

Just think if he would have shot the girl he would have kept his job.

She made him fear for his life.

 

[3TrueFans]

The School has a teacher, principal, and councilor. Their job is to talk to the student. When a cop is called his job is to take care of the situation. He is not a councilor. Today these kids think that the police can't do anything to them so they just do whatever they want. People like you allow this activity to continue. The cop did his job. The student was asked to leave. She didn't. He was called in to make her leave and that's what he did.

Clearly not.

 

[ArgentCy]

Actually surprised that the cop lost his job. In a lot of departments (or more hopefully the past) he would have gotten paid vacation and then quietly come back to work with a nice little raise.

 

[Mr Janny]

Can't we just deal with problems head on anymore. This is ridiculous. She wouldn't do what she was told to do so they took care of it. Because this kid is a brat the cop lost his job. That doesn't seem fair to me. Could he have been more gentle? Probably but she isn't hurt and he got the job done. She got what was coming to her.

Nope, the cop lost his job because he used excessive force. The kid being a brat did not dictate his unnecessary response. There are any number of actions he could have taken that would not have resulted in him losing his job. His job was lost when he threw her across the room, not when she acted like a brat.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Still think the girl deserved it. Wish everyone who acted with a "holier than thou" attitude despite not doing a thing in their life to deserve respect could get tossed around.

I don't really care about the officer. It's more the student being a brat that has me riled up and people standing up for her.

 

[ISUCubswin]

And for the record, I would expect nothing less from the parents and lawyer of this kid to claim serious physical harm when a rug burn is all that occurred.

 

[keepngoal]

Still think the girl deserved it. Wish everyone who acted with a "holier than thou" attitude despite not doing a thing in their life to deserve respect could get tossed around.

I don't really care about the officer. It's more the student being a brat that has me riled up and people standing up for her.

physical harm and actions are deserving because the kid is a punk?

not sure what you are compensating for.... but you're doing a bang up job. And hopefully you are not coaching or teaching any young people ..... they will see an adult that is reactionary versus conscious with thought/action.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

When the sheriff was asked what the officer did wrong, the sheriff replied, "Let me tell you what he should not have done. He should not have thrown the student."

There seems to be a tendency to try to make this more complicated, but it's really that simple.

It amazes me how many people seem to need a black-and-white solution to every situation. In this thread it has come in arguments along the lines of, "Either the student was in the wrong OR the cop was in the wrong. So if you're criticizing the cop, you must believe the student was acting like an angel."

Some of us have argued that both the student and the cop were in the wrong. Now that the sheriff has fired the cop - and criticized both the student and the cop - maybe it can be understood that this situation involved two people who made incredibly stupid choices. And both should be held accountable (not just the cop).

I was about to post this same thing.

People arguing that the officer used excessive force aren't saying the kid wasn't initially at fault. They are saying the cop went too far. I think that is pretty hard to disagree with.

The people arguing that the cop was put in a bad situation by a brat of a kid aren't saying (at least I hope not) that they agree with the the amount of force that was used, they are saying that the situation could likely have been avoided had the kid followed the rules. After all, the cop didn't just walk in and start throwing every kid in the classroom around. He was dealing with the one that was causing trouble.

The first "situation" (student's actions) should have been avoided to begin with. The second "situation" (cop's actions) should have been avoided as well. The adult/authority figure should be held to the higher standard, but that doesn't mean the kid isn't responsible for starting things in the first place.

And NO, that doesn't mean she deserved it.

 

[Mr Janny]

I was about to post this same thing.

People arguing that the officer used excessive force aren't saying the kid wasn't initially at fault. They are saying the cop went too far. I think that is pretty hard to disagree with.

The people arguing that the cop was put in a bad situation by a brat of a kid aren't saying (at least I hope not) that they agree with the the amount of force that was used, they are saying that the situation could likely have been avoided had the kid followed the rules. After all, the cop didn't just walk in and start throwing every kid in the classroom around. He was dealing with the one that was causing trouble.

The first "situation" (student's actions) should have been avoided to begin with. The second "situation" (cop's actions) should have been avoided as well. The adult/authority figure should be held to the higher standard, but that doesn't mean the kid isn't responsible for starting things in the first place.

And NO, that doesn't mean she deserved it.

That's a good take. Pretty much where I'm at. The kid was a brat and disruptive, absolutely. But the penalty for her actions is not the level of force that the cop displayed. She should not escape punishment for the incident, but neither should the cop.