***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***
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My preference would to NOT expand. No reason to do it.
Our goals:
Football - to go to a bowl. The current setup makes it difficult, but it does help us get better recruits. However, so do the other schools in the conference. It makes the Iowa game very important every year.
Basketball - win a national championship. The current setup is perfect for preparing us for the tournament.
My preference if we do expand is to add someone like UConn and Cincinnati. The problem is that they don't add money, so our payout would probably go down. I don't think the additional money for a championship game and few extra conference games they would add would be worth more than $40 million which is what it would need to be to not lose money. However, they would help both goals. Be easier competition to get to a bowl in football and help prepare us better for our goal in basketball. In the end, I think we are better off not expanding.
Our goals:
Football - to go to a bowl. The current setup makes it difficult, but it does help us get better recruits. However, so do the other schools in the conference. It makes the Iowa game very important every year.
Basketball - win a national championship. The current setup is perfect for preparing us for the tournament.
My preference if we do expand is to add someone like UConn and Cincinnati. The problem is that they don't add money, so our payout would probably go down. I don't think the additional money for a championship game and few extra conference games they would add would be worth more than $40 million which is what it would need to be to not lose money. However, they would help both goals. Be easier competition to get to a bowl in football and help prepare us better for our goal in basketball. In the end, I think we are better off not expanding.
The reason I don't buy into this "B12 Will Not Expand" idea is that they just reworked the logo to the new improved (very ugly) new Big XII logo. Why stay with Big XII if there's no plan to return to 12 (or more)?
I am not reading from WVU sources. Look back at the quotes you referenced from the administration of the schools you mentioned, and then look at quotes from Deloss at the same time. There were several media outlets reporting on this, not just the WVU crazies.
I agree with that there were quotes from Dodds pining for ND but Dodds didn't kill adding FSU/Clemson as you suggested due to his desire for ND. Dodds only has one vote and Dodds never publicly suggested that he was opposed to adding FSU/Clemson if ND wasn't available.
Flexibility. Plus ours was the first conference to reach that number. The Big 12 was the original "super conference." The B1G isn't letting go of the name "Big Ten;" would we really want to call ourselves that anyway?
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SEC had 12 before the Big 12 did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Conference#1990_expansion
I was just vacationing in Tampa and Orlando area. I drove through USGF in Tampa and UCF in Orldalando. Those schools are more than commuter schools.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_System_of_Florida
Florida Gainsville 43% acceptance, 50k students, $500M research
FSU Tallahassee, 59% acceptance, 40k students, $200M research
USF Tampa, 60% acceptance, 50k students, $300M research
UCF Orlando, 45% acceptance, 60k students, $140M research
These are the four biggies in Florida. They should be in consideration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_System_of_Florida
Florida Gainsville 43% acceptance, 50k students, $500M research
FSU Tallahassee, 59% acceptance, 40k students, $200M research
USF Tampa, 60% acceptance, 50k students, $300M research
UCF Orlando, 45% acceptance, 60k students, $140M research
These are the four biggies in Florida. They should be in consideration.
http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/...cle_0205a02b-8c30-5815-a5ef-0d631d8ac3ce.html
Might be an interesting read...Aggie slanted I'm sure.
Might be an interesting read...Aggie slanted I'm sure.
I can't wait for the stories of how ATM got bullied by Texas and how they make out ATM, Nebraska, and Missouri to look like heroes.
While representatives from Kansas, KSU, Baylor, and ISU were forced to stand facing the corner and not allowed to make eye contact with anyone.
Clay TravisVerified account @ClayTravisBGID By its third year, SEC Network will do more revenue by itself than the entire Big 12 TV deal
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...rage/sec-network-revenue-is-impressive-073014
Interesting read, not sure what it all means for the future, but he misses the fact that this is all cyclical
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...rage/sec-network-revenue-is-impressive-073014
Interesting read, not sure what it all means for the future, but he misses the fact that this is all cyclical
Do more revenue? That doesn't even makes sense. Will the SEC **** more money than the Big 12?
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So $650M per year, minus $100M in costs, and ESPN gets half. So the member schools get $275M/14 or about $20M each. And how much are the Big12 schools getting? Oh right.
I guess the question is long term how much bigger the revenue will get for the SEC network. Can they get a bigger cut from ESPN, can they raise prices, can they broaden distribution. So there is upside.
But for the Big12 (or other conferences with more traditional model), there is an upside too. Same demand from CBS, NBC, ESPN et al for games, but less supply. Would drive up the price of media contracts I'd think. SO I see upside here too maybe.
Am I missing something? I don't see how this is a huge game changer for the schools or programs, but maybe for the balance of power with ESPN and distribution.
SEC network is only 3rd tier rights. It will be incremental revenue for the schools. Adding in the revenue they already get in their deals with ESPN and CBS, and you're looking at $40mil per school. Or so the estimates say.
Nebraska was the leader in pushing for an unequal deal until they realized Texas would always be bigger, then they did a total 180 and were happy getting the same cut as Northwestern. Left the instability they were a leading cause of.
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