I think they are pretty much tied to UVA. Saying that I would find it pretty funny if SEC added UVA, V Tech, and WVU to go to 16. ACC sits at 12, B12 picks up 2 BE teams and BYU to go to 12. BE is only conference that ends up dying, and even then they can pick up CUSA teams.
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Why on earth would you leave the ACC for the SEC? Academics are way better, easier competition in football yet still a AQ conference. Excellent basketball conference, the list goes on. Jumping to the SEC is risky and if your football team flops and you don't have a strong enough basketball program to save you like UK or Vandy, then you are SOL. I would rather be in ACC.
If it happens, FEAR will be driving factor in the decision. Fear of instability, being left behind and so on.
It is self-fulfilling. Why not put a stop to the instability with a long-term commitment to the BigXII?
MU stands to be the top dog in a new division of a 'new and stable' BigXII, so I don't understand the risk of clawing up to middle of the pack in the SEC.
The analysis has been shown elsehwere that the SEC is not going to be offering a meaningful upgrade in terms of money, so the PILE OF MONEY argument should lead MU back to the BIGXII in a rational world.
They need to get on board and be the primary sponsor of new regulations enacting the Big12 Network. With the right expansion candidates, a Big12 Network could provide more "piles of money" and prestige and more - wait for it - stability! There are models which we know work for doing this now and is the only real way to defeat the LHN, i.e. by competing against it and killing it.
This whole damn thing feels like just another example of the prisoner's dilemma, where FEAR and doubt lead to defection/betrayal and both are worse off in the end.
I was hoping for a Big East invite if the Big 12 broke up. But you and Cyphillis still believe A&M is going to be a part of the Big 12 going forward. "Nothing is going to happen"
I was hoping for a Big East invite if the Big 12 broke up. But you and Cyphillis still believe A&M is going to be a part of the Big 12 going forward. "Nothing is going to happen"
I'm relatively sure you thought OU and Texas were gone.
I'm with you. I haven't thought for a second that Mizzou would go to the SEC. With Pitt and Cuse now off to the ACC, it would seem that if the superconference dominoes fall, Mizzou would be certain of a B1G invite, which is what they really want.
Also, this talk really heated up once the Pac came out and said they weren't expanding at this time. I think it is a plan B to try to put some pressure on UT at the negotiating table. With OU out of options for now, Mizzou is the only school left in the conference with a chance at putting on some heat.
Bingo. If the B1G ever went to 16 teams Missouri would be one of them and if the B1G got ND, Missouri would be #14. Knowing this, the SEC is indeed a stupid move for MU.
How does the Big 12 become more stable by having the lower-revenue schools band together to create ANOTHER Tier 3 network to compete with the LHN? Is there some inherent value to a channel dedicated to Baylor vs. Louisville games that I'm not seeing? How can mediocre games (that's what Tier 3 is) between schools with smaller fan bases (like ours) be worth as much as mediocre games between schools with larger fan bases (like TX)?
A third tier for smaller schools could be valuable just because it would actually show football games. The LHN only gets one crappy non-conference game. For example, the ISU vs MU game would be on the network which would pretty much force all of Iowa to pick it up. I don't think it would net $15 mil per school, but it could bring in something. Look at what each school already bring in for third tier rights.
YES. The answer is a resounding yes, thanks for asking.
There is brand value for the both the conference and its members as well as monetary value in the production and distribution of the content.
With the right kind of expansion, it's potentially VERY high value.
Really everyone understands this now, and the very short answer as to "how" is with subscribers in the right markets.
If you need an example of this, check this out.
http://btn.com/
I appreciate your honesty. If you don't believe that conference networks can work and greatly benefit members, then I don't know how we are going to move forward in this conversation.
Cheers
Again, I'll put out the disclaimer that this could likely be all fluff, but you never know...
WVU to SEC Update: Crossing Eyes - Dotting T's | October
Here's the report from Morgantown written by my contact there. I added the emphasis in all cases.
And then we went to bed and our doubts returned with the morning sun. West Virginians are used to being the punch-line in jokes, we’re used to being mocked and having stereotypes unfairly applied to us, so it was easy to believe that our coveted membership in the SEC would be taken away from us at the last minute.
Missouri once again was the specter that haunted our party. Nary a word in the national media, no comment from WVU – we wondered why the news hadn’t broke. We wanted to see the scrolling ticker on ESPN proclaim our victory.
Yet no word – Why? Had Missouri changed their mind again?
Was the SEC having second thoughts with Missouri an option?
No, because lawyers and accountants bill by the hour.
Yesterday and again this morning SEC representatives were in Morgantown meeting with WVU officials and working out the details that would add WVU to the ranks of the SEC.
Despite Missouri. Despite the lack of national media, despite pundit after pundit leaving out the Mountaineers – we are just a few billable hours away from our dream.
And in Charleston a team of another WVU lawyers and accounts are currently negotiating with the Big East Conference to exit that league and begin SEC play in 2012. The price will be steep. The Big East wants 150% of revenues paid to WVU in 2010 and 2011 plus the $5 million exit fee. That’s somewhere in the neighborhood of $21-$25 million dollars. Greater than the exit fee the ACC hopes keeps its league intact.
WVU will try and negotiate that down to somewhere near the $12-15 range, but it will pay whatever it takes to get out.
The SEC has already done a wonderful thing for WVU. Potential membership has healed the wounds inflicted by the Rich Rodriguez/Bill Stewart/Dana Holgorsen coaching drama. Old money and new are lining up to pay that exit fee and WVU could pay thrice the Big East’s asking price if necessary
For those who still doubt WVU is a viable candidate connsider this – WVU has a perennial top-15 football program and a basketball program to match. WVU is one of only a handful of athletic programs in the country that is both self-funded and profitable - All on a budget of approximately $65 million per year.
SEC officials were considerably impressed with WVU’s financial plan and operations. One SEC official, considering the results WVU achieved with limited funds, referred to WVU as a potential sleeping giant in the SEC.
Maybe the health of WVU’s athletic department and the success the Mountaineers football and basketball programs gave WVU the edge over Missouri, but for whatever reason WVU seems SEC bound despite what the national media may think.
There will be no announcement today. West Virginia is electing a new governor to replace former governor and current U.S. Senator Joe Manchin, who also happens to be a close friend of Nick Saban, and WVU will allow the new governor to have the spotlight to himself. An announcement will be made as soon as WVU reaches an agreement with the Big East. WVU officials would prefer that announcement come sooner rather than later and either Thursday or Friday seem realistic if the lawyers and accountants get out of the way.
So like it our not WVU is SEC bound.
And it's a great day to be a Mountaineer!
WVU to SEC Update: Crossing Eyes - Dotting T's | October
Here's the report from Morgantown written by my contact there. I added the emphasis in all cases.
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The news started to spread from Twitter. WVU was in the SEC. SEC officials were in Morgantown. WVU had notified the Big East. Joy quickly spread across the Mountain State. The euphoria of having our collective dream come true for membership in the SEC was at hand. It truly was a great day to be a Mountaineer.And then we went to bed and our doubts returned with the morning sun. West Virginians are used to being the punch-line in jokes, we’re used to being mocked and having stereotypes unfairly applied to us, so it was easy to believe that our coveted membership in the SEC would be taken away from us at the last minute.
Missouri once again was the specter that haunted our party. Nary a word in the national media, no comment from WVU – we wondered why the news hadn’t broke. We wanted to see the scrolling ticker on ESPN proclaim our victory.
Yet no word – Why? Had Missouri changed their mind again?
Was the SEC having second thoughts with Missouri an option?
No, because lawyers and accountants bill by the hour.
Yesterday and again this morning SEC representatives were in Morgantown meeting with WVU officials and working out the details that would add WVU to the ranks of the SEC.
Despite Missouri. Despite the lack of national media, despite pundit after pundit leaving out the Mountaineers – we are just a few billable hours away from our dream.
And in Charleston a team of another WVU lawyers and accounts are currently negotiating with the Big East Conference to exit that league and begin SEC play in 2012. The price will be steep. The Big East wants 150% of revenues paid to WVU in 2010 and 2011 plus the $5 million exit fee. That’s somewhere in the neighborhood of $21-$25 million dollars. Greater than the exit fee the ACC hopes keeps its league intact.
WVU will try and negotiate that down to somewhere near the $12-15 range, but it will pay whatever it takes to get out.
The SEC has already done a wonderful thing for WVU. Potential membership has healed the wounds inflicted by the Rich Rodriguez/Bill Stewart/Dana Holgorsen coaching drama. Old money and new are lining up to pay that exit fee and WVU could pay thrice the Big East’s asking price if necessary
For those who still doubt WVU is a viable candidate connsider this – WVU has a perennial top-15 football program and a basketball program to match. WVU is one of only a handful of athletic programs in the country that is both self-funded and profitable - All on a budget of approximately $65 million per year.
SEC officials were considerably impressed with WVU’s financial plan and operations. One SEC official, considering the results WVU achieved with limited funds, referred to WVU as a potential sleeping giant in the SEC.
Maybe the health of WVU’s athletic department and the success the Mountaineers football and basketball programs gave WVU the edge over Missouri, but for whatever reason WVU seems SEC bound despite what the national media may think.
There will be no announcement today. West Virginia is electing a new governor to replace former governor and current U.S. Senator Joe Manchin, who also happens to be a close friend of Nick Saban, and WVU will allow the new governor to have the spotlight to himself. An announcement will be made as soon as WVU reaches an agreement with the Big East. WVU officials would prefer that announcement come sooner rather than later and either Thursday or Friday seem realistic if the lawyers and accountants get out of the way.
So like it our not WVU is SEC bound.
And it's a great day to be a Mountaineer!
KU beat writer thinks its likely MU will stay, but doesn't believe any news will come out of today's meeting other than authorizing MU chancellor Brady Deaton to take whatever actions he thinks is necessary.
Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com
More sign that point to Mizzou staying in the Big 12 are starting to pop up. As mentioned earlier, it is expected that MU's board of curators will give Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton full authority to handle conference affiliation at today's meeting....
Despite reports from folks who cover the SEC saying the Tigers are headed south, I continue to believe MU will stay in the Big 12. Different sources I've talked to in the past week have indicated that MU is leaning toward returning to the conference. It's likely that the Tigers are doing their due diligence by fully exploring the opportunity in the SEC and perhaps even more likely that this whole deal has been nothing more than a charade by a university wanting people to tell it it's loved. Maybe both...
Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com
More sign that point to Mizzou staying in the Big 12 are starting to pop up. As mentioned earlier, it is expected that MU's board of curators will give Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton full authority to handle conference affiliation at today's meeting....
Despite reports from folks who cover the SEC saying the Tigers are headed south, I continue to believe MU will stay in the Big 12. Different sources I've talked to in the past week have indicated that MU is leaning toward returning to the conference. It's likely that the Tigers are doing their due diligence by fully exploring the opportunity in the SEC and perhaps even more likely that this whole deal has been nothing more than a charade by a university wanting people to tell it it's loved. Maybe both...
Great update, CyMan. If true, it has to be a blow to the egos of those Tigers who wanted that slot.
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