When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 72 8.2%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 163 18.5%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 189 21.4%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 452 51.2%

  • Total voters
    883
Probably 30 minutes to get a full charge in my experience with my Model 3. Longer if it’s freezing cold out. That’s why I keep saying I love mine and think they’re great for most people but if you need 500+ miles of range in one day I can see why it wouldn’t work.
yeah and I've done 740+ miles for work a few times. personal Ive done NC to Iowa and Iowa to southern cal and back towing a trailer that an EV would be horrible at.
 
This still missed my point that I’m doing those day trips on the ragged edge of my normal personal “time limit.” Stick another hour on there for a charge or two and it’s pushing me over the limit.

My personal limit is time based; it’s not mileage; anything over ~5 hours one way (~10 hours total) driving = overnights. This includes stops not just what the google says for drive time.

For instance anything past Chicago now in that direction = overnight. Tack on an extra 30min, then Chicago becomes an automatic overnight for me. In this case if the charging stops truly don’t add any extra time (honest question) then there I would be ready for an EV “now.”

But if it adds say 45min to the trip, that moves my overnight qualifier to say, Aurora.

I understand you and it's very realistic to say 45 to 60 minutes would be added if you never stop for food when driving.

I'm saying it's not realistic that the way EVs shrink that 45-60 minutes is to get 800 mile range (600 mile range on a 100 degree day). That sort of range monster would be a heavy/impractical/expensive EV for the vast majority of people at least in the next decade or two without some kind of massive tech leap.

The way that gap keeps closing is charging speeds keep getting incrementally faster (they are constantly getting faster even when people doubt they can) and access to charging becomes as "everywhere" as gas stations are. They're nearly that common in some regions already but not rural midwest.
 
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Right now a Ram 1500; 20-23mpg, 25 gal tank.

I hope these guys arguing with me aren't in the EV business because they are having the opposite effect of their intent...
that would really depend on the truck itself. best I ever saw in my '17 was 22 (average was 17/18), that was the hemi and 3.92 rear. the work trucks I ran often were v6 and 3.55 rear, saw 26mpg (average was 19) on the highway often.
 
I understand you and it's very realistic to say 45 to 60 minutes would be added if you never stop for food when driving.

I'm saying it's not realistic that the way EVs shrink that 45-60 minutes is to get 800 mile range (600 mile range on a 100 degree day). That sort of range monster would be a heavy/impractical/expensive EV for the vast majority of people at least in the next decade or two without some kind of massive tech leap.

The way that gap keeps closing is charging speeds keep getting incrementally faster (they are constantly getting faster even when people doubt they can) and access to charging becomes as "everywhere" as gas stations are. They're nearly that common in some regions already but not rural midwest.
if i'm on a road trip to get somewhere, I'm not stopping for a 30+min food break, at most I'm grabbing something to go at the gas station, in and out in 10-15 min or less. cold also effects EVs not as much ICs, quick charging also effects battery life and EVs still have that issue going forward, show me a million mile EV without complete rebuilds as there are quite a few ICs out there like that .
 
I understand you and it's very realistic to say 45 to 60 minutes would be added if you never stop for food when driving.

I'm saying it's not realistic that the way EVs shrink that 45-60 minutes is to get 800 mile range (600 mile range on a 100 degree day). That sort of range monster would be a heavy/impractical/expensive EV for the vast majority of people at least in the next decade or two without some kind of massive tech leap.

The way that gap keeps closing is charging speeds keep getting incrementally faster (they are constantly getting faster even when people doubt they can) and access to charging becomes as "everywhere" as gas stations are. They're nearly that common in some regions already but not rural midwest.
The manufacturers are talking these 600 ranges, might just be smoke but I do believe in the future battery tech will be there. IMO it’s just a matter of time, a question of when not if. I do think it’s going to take a leap, not just some incremental gains.

The food thing: often on these types of trips If in a rush, I grab the “healthiest :jimlad: at the better gas stations out of their grab and go; so gas stops become a “full service” stop for the driver too. For instance, and ymmv, IMO a cheeseburger at Kwik Star is better than most fast food ones. Can wolf one of those down while the pump is running. Yes this is highly glamorous I know.
 
Starting in Ankeny IA, here are some examples. All mileage estimated from google maps from my house to destinations below:

Aurora IL (580mi round trip)
Chicago IL (ok, over 600mi round trip)
Madison NE* (470mi round trip)
Sioux Falls SD (590mi round trip)

There are many more, but here is the longer part of the story. I often do these round trips in a single day; ie drive up early in AM, spend 1-2 hours in a meeting, then drive back.

Adding any significant time to this at charging stations (say even an extra hour), or making the outbound leg longer by even less time, pushes these into overnight trips, even if charging stations are available. *good luck finding them in convenient/practical locations enroute to Madison NE
I just ran the numbers

Aurora 90 minutes of charging
Chicago 90 minutes of charging
Madison NE 47 minutes of charging
Sioux Falls 57 minutes.

These are all like 9+ hour trips. Your probably right, if you do this every week or month, a BEV is not for you. Those 90 minute charges are 3-4 stops.
 
that would really depend on the truck itself. best I ever saw in my '17 was 22 (average was 17/18), that was the hemi and 3.92 rear. the work trucks I ran often were v6 and 3.55 rear, saw 26mpg (average was 19) on the highway often.
This truck is a fleet special, has the 3.6 and I’m sure the tallest gearing on earth. It didn’t even come with remote locks or a car play ready radio (fleet company had to add those at their expense because it violated our contract with them.)

Best I’ve done is 25mpg returning from CO this summer.
 
if i'm on a road trip to get somewhere, I'm not stopping for a 30+min food break, at most I'm grabbing something to go at the gas station, in and out in 10-15 min or less. cold also effects EVs not as much ICs, quick charging also effects battery life and EVs still have that issue going forward, show me a million mile EV without complete rebuilds as there are quite a few ICs out there like that .
The **** there are "quite a few" IC cars out there with a million miles on them.
 
I just ran the numbers

Aurora 90 minutes of charging
Chicago 90 minutes of charging
Madison NE 47 minutes of charging
Sioux Falls 57 minutes.

These are all like 9+ hour trips. Your probably right, if you do this every week or month, a BEV is not for you. Those 90 minute charges are 3-4 stops.
Cut those 90min to 45, I’d be more than fine with EV. (Those times could be reduced by a combination of range and charging improvements). I assume those are just charge times, they don’t include the detour to the charger?

I’d say my average stop today is 20min, I go by the amount of time “lost” per GPS, so that includes the detour, and I’d generally make 2 per trip (one per leg).
 
Cut those 90min to 45, I’d be more than fine with EV. (Those times could be reduced by a combination of range and charging improvements). I assume those are just charge times, they don’t include the detour to the charger?

I’d say my average stop today is 20min, I go by the amount of time “lost” per GPS, so that includes the detour, and I’d generally make 2 per trip (one per leg).
The one to Madison, has you driving an extra 25 miles. The rest have places less than 1/2 mile off interstate.

Keep in mind that this is a Tesla, that is taking into account the current weather, and is usually very accurate. So it knows that if I leave now, I'll be driving in below zero weather.

On the flip side, it's depending on you to drive to a pretty low battery (around 10%), which allows to charge super fast, and it's not going to allow you to fully charge because it knows what's best to get you there the fastest.
 
I have had an F150 lightning for a little over a year. I drive it from Champaign IL to Chicago about every three weeks. For most of the year, I can do that 300 mile round trip with about with one charging stop of a half hour. I recently went to Kansas City. On that trip, I probably had about 1:45 of additional charging time. Since I tried to build meals into the charging, it didn't add that much.

The biggest thing that I see in this discussion is that it frames the debate around ev charging as being all extra time. I think this is incorrect as many gas station stops take at least 10 minutes if not more to pump gas, get a coffee, and go to the bathroom. On the aforementioned trip to KC, I basically turned each of those ten minutes stops into 15. That bought me extra range at every stop I would have made otherwise.

If you have any specific question about having an EV truck, feel free to send me a DM.
Thank you, but this is more of a theoretical discussion as I don’t own the truck, nor would that be my choice if it were mine to make for the vehicle (the truck is company provided but I get to use it as a personal vehicle too)
 
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The one to Madison, has you driving an extra 25 miles. The rest have places less than 1/2 mile off interstate.
I saw that for Madison (Norfolk). The 1/2 mile detour off the interstate still takes about 5 min in my experience, but I wouldn’t quibble with 5 min for all the other conveniences EV have over ICE.
 
This truck is a fleet special, has the 3.6 and I’m sure the tallest gearing on earth. It didn’t even come with remote locks or a car play ready radio (fleet company had to add those at their expense because it violated our contract with them.)

Best I’ve done is 25mpg returning from CO this summer.
yeah a tradesman model, we had Bluetooth only on ours in '19 and is still common, the "high gear" would have been a 3.21 and still didn't really improve mpg in the rams.
 
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Is there truly anyone more arrogant than a full size truck owner? That’s without even adding a lift and 37s.

Well, wasn't going to get involved but since you brought it up..........maybe. But I don't have to start a thread to sell people on a Ford F350 with a GVWR of 13,000 that will tow your EV when it dies because that s*** sells itself. Yup............I'm arrogant.
 

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