You've been more than courteous in this thread. I'm in the boat when I wear out my sedan I'll look at a EV sedan hard. But my ICE truck will probably be kept for a while because it hauls loads probably 75% of it's miles sometimes towing sometimes heavy loads in the bed.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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You've been more than courteous in this thread. I'm in the boat when I wear out my sedan I'll look at a EV sedan hard. But my ICE truck will probably be kept for a while because it hauls loads probably 75% of it's miles sometimes towing sometimes heavy loads in the bed.
Smugness aside, that would be ~ equivalent timewise to gas and normal stops.
I think something that gets lost in this conversation is that the adaptation rate out W is much higher than in the MW, thus leading to a more robust infrastructure. MW infrastructure seems ok just by observation but by no means is it robust. IMO.
I've got one of those it is really nice when I drove through northern Montana Canada and Alaska.
Haha, I love my R1S, but for this type of mileage and fleet work, a Model Y does make sense
I actually own one and drive it every day, have taken it across the country and back.
I have personal experience, not some side story about my kid.
I have had an F150 lightning for a little over a year. I drive it from Champaign IL to Chicago about every three weeks. For most of the year, I can do that 300 mile round trip with about with one charging stop of a half hour. I recently went to Kansas City. On that trip, I probably had about 1:45 of additional charging time. Since I tried to build meals into the charging, it didn't add that much.
The biggest thing that I see in this discussion is that it frames the debate around ev charging as being all extra time. I think this is incorrect as many gas station stops take at least 10 minutes if not more to pump gas, get a coffee, and go to the bathroom. On the aforementioned trip to KC, I basically turned each of those ten minutes stops into 15. That bought me extra range at every stop I would have made otherwise.
If you have any specific question about having an EV truck, feel free to send me a DM.
Having a 240 outlet in your garage is a game changer. I never have to worry about anything, and it costs me 3 cents a mile to drive. I am never going back to gas.
I don't understand why you insist he's creating fear when all he's pointing out is an impracticality in how he uses his vehicle when compared to a true EV. It is true, like you said, ICE vehicles typically don't run 600 miles on a fill. But that wasn't the point being made. @herbicide is saying that he can be back on the road at 100% in 3 minutes in an ICE where the EV would require spending the night. For an EV to be suitable in his situation, it would need to be able to operate 600 miles to avoid this problem. That isn't absurd, it's true. And I say this as somebody who thinks an EV is a perfectly fine vehicle for most people and situations.
It can move fast. I really think people don't give enough attention to gas prices, people will switch when an EV is clearly similar price or much cheaper to own than gas. Sadly that'll likely keep Iowa toward last for adoption with the ethanol situation.
5 years ago I could have barely done my most common mountain roadtrip across Mojave desert up into the Sierras. I definitely could not have without Tesla network. Now there's an option of somewhere to charge all over the place, I do have Telsa network access now but I don't actually need it. Seeing them being built was part of what erased any doubt for me to have no gas cars.
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I pay .03 a /kwh for my charging overnight. That’s like $3 for 300 miles of range
"absurd" was probably not the best choice of words by me but it's not a realistic expectation that EVs need to get to 800 mile range (600 mile range in extreme conditions) for them to be able to do the trips he described. It just is not.
The likelihood that charging speed will keep increasing (it is all the time) and charging locations will keep increasing is far greater than a goal that every EV needs to get 800 miles per charge and 600 miles in extreme hot/cold/incline to make sense for those routes.
It's the kind of stuff that drives hysteria that everybody who has adopted an EV can spot so easily. Some do it accidentally and some do it actively as trolls.
Like I keep saying, the most common and real knock on an EV at this point is if you can't charge at your home, that's when the biggest convenience and cost savings is eliminated. That is rarely brought up, stuff that's far less of a concern is what people tend to fear and panic about. There are still pockets where there's almost no charging infrastructure for road trips but that is changing every day and most people don't live in those areas, some of the routes he mentioned have plenty of reasonable places to charge (a few posters pointed them out) but one of them did strike me as "I'd really want to plan for that route".
My electric bill actually went DOWN when I switched from a PHEV I charged most nights to a regular EV because I can charge up quite a bit for free a lot of places and not add 30 miles of range to the car nearly every day. Even if I did all the charging exclusively at home it's like $30/mo.
This still missed my point that I’m doing those day trips on the ragged edge of my normal personal “time limit.” Stick another hour on there for a charge or two and it’s pushing me over the limit.
My personal limit is time based; it’s not mileage; anything over ~5 hours one way (~10 hours total) driving = overnights. This includes stops not just what the google says for drive time.
For instance anything past Chicago now in that direction = overnight. Tack on an extra 30min, then Chicago becomes an automatic overnight for me. In this case if the charging stops truly don’t add any extra time (honest question) then there I would be ready for an EV “now.”
But if it adds say 45min to the trip, that moves my overnight qualifier to say, Aurora.
difference is it takes about 5 min to stop and refill a gas tank. and 300+ miles more. how long does that charge take?
Probably 30 minutes to get a full charge in my experience with my Model 3. Longer if it’s freezing cold out. That’s why I keep saying I love mine and think they’re great for most people but if you need 500+ miles of range in one day I can see why it wouldn’t work.
I'm interested in the Ram REV or the new Internationals with range extenders. those would probably fit a majority of my uses, the towing and maybe snow plow use would be a deciding factor that would push me to a 3/4 ton maybe still.
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