When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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It's a mix, some are at grocery stores, most wal-mart's in entire western half of USA have them, some near fast food, some just totally a regular gas station with chargers in addition to the gas pumps.
On road trips it's only the level 3 fast chargers you bother with 10-40 minutes depending on situation.
Level 2 chargers (4-10 hours) can be places like parks and soccer fields, really anywhere somebody might be spending a day. More and more hotels have level 2 because it makes total sense for travelers to charge fully overnight. There's a level 2 charger at the park I walk my dogs daily that happens to be free and just plugging in an hour a day generally is all the fuel I need for daily life.
I don't know that it'll ever get to that point... Probably not any time soon. The typical vehicle doesn't have a 25-30 gallon tank required to reach >600mi without hitting a gas station, that's almost exclusively a full-size truck/SUV thing. The vast majority of models target the 300-400 range, which is also more or less what EVs target for full charge range. Sedans, small and mid-size SUVS, they're more in the 13-18 gallon range for tanks. Not 25+. >600 isn't a realistic expectation for what's still not gigantic vehicle footprints.
Honestly, it seems majority people are getting along. It’s just your arrogance that does not allow you to understand.
I don't know that I'm arrogant enough to own an EV, but maybe it comes after?
It's not arrogance at all. Most people with EVs have given up trying to explain this to others, because they've made it overtly political, and they talk like they understand EVs, but they flat out don't. So why even both to explain, when we do, people respond with "there are no chargers near where I go, trust me" or "There is no food where the charger is?!" when they just don't want to understand period.
I apologize on the confusion on my part.
I never claimed (or meant to imply) a need for 600 mile uninterrupted driving, The 600 mi EV range is based on my specific use; 600mi covers all bases for 'my' use case for EV; ie no longer dependent on a special extra stop (yes this is unfair to the EV in comparison, but gas stations have an unfair advantage on availability)
So yes, if I understand you right/better, better availability of very fast charging etc would serve here too.
There's a fairly significant amount of EV charging infrastructure already in place. A lot of nonEV owners probably aren't aware because EV charging stations don't really have signage like a traditional gas station. They don't need it. EV owners already know when and where they're going to stop to charge when on a longer trip. Why waste money on signage? Of course, EV charging infrastructure is still being built out but it's at a decent level now.
This is where I think (know) people misunderstand; in my mind it is about 'range per period of time:'
For this fleet vehicle example: A gas vehicle can get away with a shorter range because of the availability and relative speed of refueling. An EV with a longer initial range compensates (or beyond).
An EV (with today's infrastructure as I understand it... Could be wrong) needs more time to recharge, and the availability of these chargers is limited. Adding the extra time + the less availability means less effective range per period of time.
-Where my mind is, a longer initial range in the EV can compensate for the above.
Again, this is stuff for fleet vehicles.
I get that, it really is the gap. Refueling at a pump takes 2-5 minutes and you're out. Recharging may take 15-30 minutes (depending on a lot of factors). It's a time management thing. In a lot of cases, it works out fine, but there may be some (regarding extreme length or extremely specific time constraints desired) where an EV could be a detriment in time, while creating savings in other places that aren't time. Again, to me that's the primary difference between home use and industrial use. Home use primarily doesn't require charging outside of the home/workplace, meaning there is basically zero time loss. Your scenario doesn't match that case.
And to be fair, to herbicide's situation, using fast charging isn't necessarily cheaper than gas. Charging at home of course is substantially cheaper.
Right. Charging on the road can be done for EVs, but it's not the primary benefit of having one. The primary benefit comes from weeks/months of not having to do that at all. That's where the cash and time savings materialize on the daily.
This is something we've (my contemporaries) have wondered about:
-Who pays to charge the company vehicle when at home? It is pretty straightforward with a gas card & mileage.
I can guarantee one thing: once all these factors (range, infrastructure, $) all tip to the point it will save corporate USA money, the switch to EVs for fleets will ensue at a rapid pace.
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that's what I mean, I said I don't think you're a troll, but this thread has been hundreds of pages of people making drive by insults who really don't understand the tech or haven't actually tried owning an EV.
I get your concerns, but I don't think they'll be addressed with EVs that get 600 mile range even in extreme heat.
To me the actual real negatives or concerns with EVs ranked order would be:
- Someone can't charge at home (often the only real one, almost cringe to mention others)
- 90% of someone's driving is on long road trips over 400 miles where the daily massive convenience of charging at home is outweighed by having to charge on the road every day (extremely rare but exists)
- Not wanting to buy technology that is improving so rapidly which is why many lease
- Certain areas don't have great infrastructure for long road trips (rare but real)
- On a road trip and there are chargers but demand is so high you have to wait on top of the regular charge time, 20 minutes to charge/pee/eat/walk is nothing but 45 minutes of waiting before that 20 minutes starts is a KILLER. This has only happened to me twice in maybe 50 times fast charging on a road trip but again, it's a real thing.
The benefits I've given up because most people just can't understand them until they try. If you live somewhere that gas fuel costs 4-5x what electric fuel costs that's an easy one (that's my situation but for others gas fuel isn't so drastically more expensive).
In 'my' case I'm more concerned about range in 'extreme' cold. I shopped Tesla 3 before I got job with company car, (7ish years ago) that I needed to commute ~160 miles a day. Fine in IA summer, spring, and fall, but cold winter days that distance was a concern. No charging available at stop(s). FTR ended up with a Honda Civic back then.
For me, my specific use a 600mi true range EV(all climates & traffic conditions found in midwest) would suffice; as any further distances become overnight trips, where I 'know' I can easily find hotels with chargers.
Did you actually reduce usage or did you supplement your power off grid and still use the same? If a actual 10 fold deduction could you share some tips on how you did it?
