Zion simply has too many players in front of him this year. Talley isn’t even seeing the floor. This team is deep relative to typical ISU teams. Let’s see how much he plays next year before drawing too many conclusions... it will be a make or break year for both him and Lewis.
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No he played every game off the bench. He was in the rotation. Different situation from Griffin who is not in the rotation.
yes different situation Matt averaged 21 minutes per game as the 7th man. Above Bluford, Gibson, Dorsey Walker, Ellerman and Edozie all who averaged 5ish.
the 2013-14 team doesn't have the depth of this current ISU team.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/66/year/2014
2014-15 Matt's minutes went down to 15 per game as the 8th man off the bench. (Dorsey walker also averaged 13 per.)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/66/year/2015
Matt was a great Cyclone but it took him two years to develop into the stating version everyone fondly remembers.
I defended him then when people criticized him and thought he'd not live up to his top 50 ranking felt he should transfer.
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While I certainly see the contract to those lists I'd say most on the second list were on much less talented rosters as freshmen than what Zion is up against.
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Are folks really concerned because ZG isn't getting playing time? Even in a four guard lineup lets break down the roster
One of Haliburton, Babb, or Wigginton will always be in to run the point. Leave out the 5 spot. So for the 2,3, and 4 spots you have:
Shayok
THT
Lewis
ZG
Talley
...not to mention that whichever of the three guards that aren't running the point are still two of our top players and are not gonna be sitting the whole time the other is playing at the 1 spot.
Point is, no shame at being at the bottom end of that roster as a true freshman. Above you are 2 freshmen showing up on NBA draft reports, a 4-star sophomore who also is currently buried on the depth chart, a 5 star sophomore with high 1st round potential before all is said and done, and 3 seniors - one of which is leading the BXII in scoring
One of Haliburton, Babb, or Wigginton will always be in to run the point. Leave out the 5 spot. So for the 2,3, and 4 spots you have:
Shayok
THT
Lewis
ZG
Talley
...not to mention that whichever of the three guards that aren't running the point are still two of our top players and are not gonna be sitting the whole time the other is playing at the 1 spot.
Point is, no shame at being at the bottom end of that roster as a true freshman. Above you are 2 freshmen showing up on NBA draft reports, a 4-star sophomore who also is currently buried on the depth chart, a 5 star sophomore with high 1st round potential before all is said and done, and 3 seniors - one of which is leading the BXII in scoring
That list really shows the difference in recruiting focus (transfers vs high school) between the two coaching staffs:
4 major contributors in 6 years for Hoiberg (3 if Ejim was a McDermott recruit)
3 major contributors in 3 years for Prohm.
if you throw in TH, THT, then its 5 in 4 years for Prohm (so far - Conditt TBD)
I'm stunned that everyone doesn't already know this. The number of times it comes up every year is astonishing.
The thing is it's pretty easy to do the injury thing. Since Zion did have an injury he can basically say it was because of that. Same thing Naz did.
Zion and Lewis both looked like competent future rotation guys imo. Good enough to invest a redshirt, had we been able to.
Imo Zion is another Rashon Clark, and was capable of playing how Rashon did as a freshman, had we been forced to play him. He’s going to fun to watch on the break with some of the young guards.
Imo Zion is another Rashon Clark, and was capable of playing how Rashon did as a freshman, had we been forced to play him. He’s going to fun to watch on the break with some of the young guards.
Well Monte got bumped down by Kane and he has said that it was a good learning experience for him.
Good information, but it’s still incorrect to draw an equivalence between his first two years where he was always in the regular rotation to Griffin, who is not in the rotation.
Griffin is one out of 4 freshmen that is not playing in the conference games. He might still get some minutes Griffin if he fits in somehow. When he was out there he looked a little lost on defense at times. I don't know what kind of a scorer he was in HS, but his shot really looked pretty flat the games I saw him it. Without looking, I would guess that he didn't have a very good shooting percentage in the games he did get in.
Although he was a transfer I thought Scotty Christopherson developed nicely throughout the time he was here.
