Will Prohm ever win a championship?

I’m surprised your still alive after Saturday/Sunday after the fire him tantrum. Plenty of people have. Including a person that indicated Hoiberg personally choked away the Baylor game.
Your right though...lifetime contract get Jamie Pollard in there today to sign it :)

Yeah you’re good faith has shown to be a lie.
 
So let me ask you this..that 14-15 squad finish 12-6 in the conference and won the conference tournament and garnered a 3 seed. That season is a disappoint because of a single game in March. I just want to make sure that this is the standard you are sticking to because I’ve seen that argument a hell of a lot.

If a team goes 10-8 in the conference, losses in the first round in the Big 12 but wins a game in the NCAA Tournament does that make it a better season that 14-15? In which case 2011-12 and 12-13 were better than the 14-15 season?

It's not fair to that team, but personally the thing I remember most about that '14-15 team absolutely is that pathetic choke job against an outmatched opponent that we should have beaten by double digits. I was looking forward to seeing guys like Clayton Custer and Edozie get some garbage time to minutes. Even though it was the NCAA tournament and crazy things happen, it never once entered my mind before the game that we could or would lose.

It's not fair, but March is where the memories are made in college basketball, whether good or bad.
 
There are reasons teams lose. But what I see is an ISU team that goes up against opponents that consistently have a better game plan coming in and execute that gameplan better. We're talking about getting absolutely run out of the gym against TCU at home and looked better in every aspect, A Baylor team that went to the paint all game and looked superior almost all game, a subpar Oklahoma team that drove the ball down our throat and outplayed us all except the last 5 minutes where shayok played out of his mind.
I just see teams that come in with plans and execute those plans while we sit on the outside and depend on hot shooting. We are too talented of a team to look completely befuddled at times and I don't think this staff is putting the players in a good enough position too maximize their talent.

If that makes me a drama queen then so be it. I am a huge supporter of Iowa state and was a season ticket holder until this year when i moved too far away. I dont enjoy complaining about prohm, but i'm going to call it like i see it and I do think many games we come in with an inferior game plan or he continues to play players that cannot execute that game plan.

Ok, I understand some of the questions on Prohm, but does Prohm go out there and box out? Hustle after loose balls? Hedge on screens? Does gawk at guys when they drive to the hoop leaving open lanes and easy layups? He may emphasize that, but if the players don't go out there and execute, what's a guy supposed to do? Go Francon 10 on them? He started getting after them, but again you can only do that so much before teams shut down. These guys have no drive. No will to win.
 
I disagree that if an opening should occur in the next few years that TJ should or would be the first phone call. Daum is a great player but so is Jenkins and I suspect he will stay and continue to wait for the proper opportunity. I’m curious why there are a select few that hate TJ so much. Is it the Hoiberg tie? Is it the fact he left to go to Washington? Is it really the fact you don’t think the AD will do his job on the next search?

Steve Prohm is a great guy but as far as I have ever heard/known so is TJ. I just don’t get it.

C'mon man, you're better than that.

No one has come out and written anything about hating T.J. I certainly don't hate him. I am glad that Prohm was hired over him at the time because I think it was important that we had someone with head coaching experience, but if Prohm does leave, whether by his choosing or not, I would be alright with T.J. coming back, especially if he wins a game or two in the NCAA's, whether this year or down the line. I just really don't like seeing this chatter about getting rid of Prohm so soon, which is why I push back against it so forcefully. The longest any coach has stayed at ISU since Johnny Orr is 5 years. That's insane. You do not improve a program by having a revolving door of coaches. Plain and simple.
 
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Your post and fandom is stuck on mediocrity. Loyal? No. Go find another team to cheer on. He can't put the basket in the hole. He can't literally push our guys to dive at loose balls. Yeah, he can try to motivate them, but it's called execution. They lack that. Yeah, some of this all comes down to coaching, but most of it points to whether these guys even want to go out and compete. They lack fight, intensity, drive, and team leadership. They can't do the little things even remotely correct. He could be preaching that at practice, but if the team can't display what's been preached, then that's called lack of execution.

Yeah you spew loyalty for berating the players. I highly doubt if you have ever sacrificed a 1/10 of what these players put themselves through for this school. But absolutely don’t question the millionaire coach. Good to see the agenda is in full swing this morning ahead of the game we should win by double-digits.
 
I’m surprised your still alive after Saturday/Sunday after the fire him tantrum. Plenty of people have. Including a person that indicated Hoiberg personally choked away the Baylor game.
Your right though...lifetime contract get Jamie Pollard in there today to sign it :)

I’m surprised you weren’t bright enough to realize I was trolling.
 
I'm not at the point of saying 'prohm should be fired', at least not this year, but its funny how some of the same characters who defended McDermott to the last minute are out here refusing to tolerate any criticism of Prohm whatsoever.

Its this kind of bitchass 'we can only expect so much, we're iowa state' thinking engrained in a segment of our fanbase that explains why reaching the next level never happens.

There should be some criticisms of Prohm, but to the extent that some are going is flat out ridiculous. Yeah, as fans we should have high expectations, but there has to be some logic. Compare last year to this year. Difference. Now, compare Prohm to McDermott, he recruited well, but bombed his seasons has he didn't win many conference games. I'm just saying the ones who think Prohm should be fired, and Fred be hired, be careful what they wish for.

We have a coach that actually wants to be here. If most were asked at the beginning of the season, hey you'll finish in upper half of conference and make the tourney as a 5-6 seed, most would have signed up in a hurry. I'm as disappointed as the rest since we were in the conference running and the favorite to topple KU, but some are taking it too far with "fire Prohm."
 
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C'mon man, you're better than that.

No one has come out and written anything about hating T.J. I certainly don't hate him. I am glad that Prohm was hired over him at the time because I think it was important that we had someone with head coaching experience, but if Prohm does leave, whether by his choosing or not, I would be alright with T.J. coming back, especially if he wins a game or two in the NCAA's, whether this year or down the line. I just really don't like seeing this chatter about getting rid of Prohm so soon, which is why I push back against it so forcefully. The longest any coach has stayed at ISU since Johnny Orr is 5 years. That's insane. You do not improve a program by having a revolving door of coaches. Plain and simple.

I don’t disagree but plenty of people appear to be Anti-TJ like JSB and Cat.
 
In that scenario this would be a disappointing season. I'm also hoping that doesn't happen.

I don't make the rules, but college basketball success is determined about how you did when it mattered, if my memory serves me correctly that bracket was a perfect set up for Iowa State. Making the year we were a 3 seed and a lost in the first round a very disappointing season. But hey at least Fred didn't make Jameel practice. I would have traded that conference tourney title for a deep run to the Elite 8 in a second.

So your standard was equal the best season ever in the modern history of Iowa State. This team is better in Kenpom then that team so can I hold you to the same expectation in March.
 
I don’t disagree but plenty of people appear to be Anti-TJ like JSB and Cat.

Where was I ever anti TJ? He walked into a prime situation. An already built program with a generational player in a lower mid major conference. Remember they did go from 20+ wins to 18-17 in his first year. If you were to apply your standards consistently, You should turn him down just because of that alone.

If he’s ever hired to be the coach here, I will root for him to succeed. You should try it.
 
Again, not perfect comparisons, but the closest we have at ISU were the years with Royce and Allen coming on board, and the following year with Clyburn and Lucious. Both of those seasons, like this one some solid returning guys and talented newcomers. The challenge is to figure out the roles, fit them together and make the team work. Those teams were on the edge of the tourney much of the year and ended up as 8 and 10 seeds. That's about where most of the predictions for this season started, with some expectations a bit lower just because of how bad last year went. Those expectations also had a healthy Wigginton and Young, as well as an eligible Lard and Talley baked in. Obviously being in the drivers seat to dethrone KU makes the losses sting, and reset expectations. I think that is reasonable, but I still think being this harsh to the team is crazy considering they are losing close games to tournament teams, and are still going to exceed preseason expectations despite a lot of unexpected roster instability.

I know that Solomon is not a star, but the guy would be far and away ISU's best P&R defending big, and best physical presence and rebounder. Guys like Tyler Cook absolutely destroyed this team a year after getting handled by Solomon. He was also becoming really good on the pick and pop before shutting it down last year. Really the things that have cost this team wins are the things he did well.

I think those two seasons are pretty good comparisons for the team this season, especially the Clyburn/Lucious team. The Royce team fits better as far as the kind of season that they were coming off of, but I think the composition of this team isn't too far off of the Clyburn team. A couple of new guys coming in as transfers, freshmen producing right away, maybe a lack of clear leadership from an emotional/mental standpoint.

I just don't get how people could start the season hoping for an 8-10 seed, then being disappointed with a 6-7 seed (granted, it could end up being lower, but still). I know expectations change over the course of a season, but it's ridiculous to start out expecting a team that is 6th or 7th in the Big 12, then be disappointed when the same team fails to win the Big 12.
 
I think those two seasons are pretty good comparisons for the team this season, especially the Clyburn/Lucious team. The Royce team fits better as far as the kind of season that they were coming off of, but I think the composition of this team isn't too far off of the Clyburn team. A couple of new guys coming in as transfers, freshmen producing right away, maybe a lack of clear leadership from an emotional/mental standpoint.

I just don't get how people could start the season hoping for an 8-10 seed, then being disappointed with a 6-7 seed (granted, it could end up being lower, but still). I know expectations change over the course of a season, but it's ridiculous to start out expecting a team that is 6th or 7th in the Big 12, then be disappointed when the same team fails to win the Big 12.

It’s actually pretty obvious. If you read this place 2 years ago pre Kansas game.
 
It's also a lack of fundamentals. Other teams are feasting on offensive rebounds because we don't know how to box out. That's basic stuff that the coaching staff needs to address. Work on that and we are at least +3 in the win column.

LOL, you don't think they've addressed that? Some of it's positioning, some of it's bad luck. But to come out here and think they haven't mentioned that in practice is ludicrous. That just comes down to players actually wanting to go out and out hustle the guy next to them. Right now, that isn't happening. Watch loose balls and tell me if our guys are jumping on them.
 
I don’t disagree but plenty of people appear to be Anti-TJ like JSB and Cat.

I'm not anti-TJ especially. I was irritated when he came back to be an assistant that everyone pretended that he was really just coming back to be an assistant when it was clear that he clearly wasn't. I was also irritated when the powers that be on this board, acted like he was the only choice to replace Holberg and it was silly to even consider anyone else. I do feel a little bad for him in that he was clearly promised he would get the job and he didn't. It was very good of him to stick around for that year.

And I'm just pointing out that if Prohm leaves there is NO WAY that TJ doesn't get the job. We don't have a president that will push back against Jamie anymore and it is clear that Jamie wanted him 4 years ago and would get him this time. And that would probably be fine.
 
So your standard was equal the best season ever in the modern history of Iowa State. This team is better in Kenpom then that team so can I hold you to the same expectation in March.


I'm not sure what you are holding me to outside of if we get a great seed in the tournament I hope we don't lose in the first round.

There is still a ton of basketball too be played, and if this team makes a run, no one will remember or care that TCU beat us by 3, when we went 2-20 from 3.

Prohm is not above criticism, but people are calling for him to be fired when the team has been in the top 25 most of the season is straight up nuts.
 
I'm not sure what you are holding me to outside of if we get a great seed in the tournament I hope we don't lose in the first round.

There is still a ton of basketball too be played, and if this team makes a run, no one will remember or care that TCU beat us by 3, when we went 2-20 from 3.

Prohm is not above criticism, but people are calling for him to be fired when the team has been in the top 25 most of the season is straight up nuts.

I wish if we were to get to the second weekend, people would not remember all this.

But that won’t happen in this case. It’s too personal for some of these folks.
 
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