Westworld

[Bader]

Both. As mentioned in a previous post, the bullets would hurt guests, but not be lethal, but could be lethal to hosts. Now, with the probably changed code by Ford, bullets are lethal to everyone host or quest.

Yea I've thought of the rounds as some sort of programmable material that will be rubbery when fired at a human and solid when fired at a host.

 

[srjclone]

Yes. They showed them (I think it was young William, but it might have been Logan) drop the photo in Season 1.

Whoops. I guess I shoulda gone back and watched season 1 before this one started. Haha

 

[NorthCyd]

I've had the Westworld theme song stuck in my head most of the day.

I haven't had the main theme song stuck in my head, but for some reason I have what I call the "arrival" theme stuck in my head. That piano music they play every time they restart the loop and guests are arriving on the train.

 

[Clonehomer]

So maybe this has already been discussed, but I'm to the point that the IP that they keep trying to get off the island is more than just the programming of the hosts. From Williams discussion with his FiL, I'm wondering if they're recording the interactions of the guests and plan to use them for leverage. These are apparently very wealthy people visiting the park and it would be interesting to see how this information was used over the past 30 years. Seems like they're going through too much effort for just the host programming that they also inow is flawed. And then there's the constant remakrs about the true meaning of reason for the park.

 

[3GenClone]

There was One thing that was glanced over, somewhat, in tonights episode that I think could be a major development later in the show. The meeting between Mave and Delores.

They are setting up the option of having 2 factions of Hosts fighting for a different end goal. Both want freedom, but Mave has an understanding that the humans can be helpful in her successes, whereas Delores just wants to kill them all. A confrontation/fight between two host parties could be a very interesting wrinkle into an already chaotic present day.

I think you are on to something based on the ending of the first episode from this season: did Dolores or Maeve gain control of Bernard and have him kill the hosts that were found in the lake? Or did Bernard kill all of them of his own volition?

 

[3GenClone]

So maybe this has already been discussed, but I'm to the point that the IP that they keep trying to get off the island is more than just the programming of the hosts. From Williams discussion with his FiL, I'm wondering if they're recording the interactions of the guests and plan to use them for leverage. These are apparently very wealthy people visiting the park and it would be interesting to see how this information was used over the past 30 years. Seems like they're going through too much effort for just the host programming that they also inow is flawed. And then there's the constant remakrs about the true meaning of reason for the park.

If you recall from the previous episode, Charlotte takes Bernard down to the lab where we briefly see a Host examined and what appears to be DNA extracted from them, most likely from a human they were recently intimate with. It seems that Charlotte is aware of Williams intent for the park and is continuing his mission (blackmail?) or perhaps she has adapted it for a more modern purpose - possibly cloning actual people rather than building hosts from scratch.

I think cloning may be the ultimate goal/reveal for this season. We see that William is passionate about WestWorld in that it reveals who people really are. He calls Dolores a "mirror" and remarks that everyone likes looking at themselves - so while he gained perspective on himself by falling in love with Dolores, he still sees her model as inferior. Perhaps Williams goal is to clone the guests (unbeknownst to them) and then sell them a version of immortality. We've seen a glimpse of this already with Ford, where it appears his consciousness has been uploaded to the Cloud - he has inhabited his younger self (which William destroyed) and then he possessed El Lazo, as well as the other Confederados in Pariah.

 

[JD720]

If you recall from the previous episode, Charlotte takes Bernard down to the lab where we briefly see a Host examined and what appears to be DNA extracted from them, most likely from a human they were recently intimate with. It seems that Charlotte is aware of Williams intent for the park and is continuing his mission (blackmail?) or perhaps she has adapted it for a more modern purpose - possibly cloning actual people rather than building hosts from scratch.

I think cloning may be the ultimate goal/reveal for this season. We see that William is passionate about WestWorld in that it reveals who people really are. He calls Dolores a "mirror" and remarks that everyone likes looking at themselves - so while he gained perspective on himself by falling in love with Dolores, he still sees her model as inferior. Perhaps Williams goal is to clone the guests (unbeknownst to them) and then sell them a version of immortality. We've seen a glimpse of this already with Ford, where it appears his consciousness has been uploaded to the Cloud - he has inhabited his younger self (which William destroyed) and then he possessed El Lazo, as well as the other Confederados in Pariah.

I love this line from William (when talking to Lawrence).

"[People] wanted a place hidden from God, a place they could sin in peace," the gunslinger reveals. "But we were watching them. We were tallying up all their sins, all of their choices. Of course, judgment wasn't the point. We had something else in mind entirely."

 

[3GenClone]

I love this line from William (when talking to Lawrence).

"[People] wanted a place hidden from God, a place they could sin in peace," the gunslinger reveals. "But we were watching them. We were tallying up all their sins, all of their choices. Of course, judgment wasn't the point. We had something else in mind entirely."

Another "God-like" moment - the "Last Supper" style setup when Dolores/Teddy/Angela meet up with the band of Confederados lead by Major Craddock. The Confederados are all dining, with the Major at the head of the table. Dolores slaughters them all and then resurrects the Major.

 

[harimad]

Long, Far-Out Theory: (somewhat spoilers, but nothing that is certain, just speculation)

I think Wiliams Father in Law is going to be a part of the "Deeper Meaning" of Westworld, that Bill and Delores keep bringing up.

I think Williams Father in Law somehow transfered his consciousness into bot form of some sort.(or something along those lines, still coming up with this theory.)

There was the scene of him and Will talking the first time he goes to west world. A line was brought up by the FiL about how, he doesn't care for this park because the benefits of the park wouldn't matter to him in 20 years because he'd be dead. We know that Will took over the company, so it can be assumed that FiL died at some point. Why is Will the only one who knows the "True Meaning"? My Assumption is, if Delores is talking about the same True Meaning that she was told by an old friend, then it is either Arnolds game for hosts to gain conciousness and eventually leave and take over the real world (which Arnold felt that the Hosts almost deserved more than real people, because they see the beauty in it). Or she is talking about the True Meaning that William knows, and he told her at some point along the way.

The only reason I think that the FiL could possibly have transferred his consciousness into a host, or into the park, somehow, was because of that ever-popping up photo of Arnold and Ford. There is a 3rd man in the middle of them that nobody talks in more detail about, and he looks relatively close to the FiL without a goatee. Was Abernathy the host that was created in memory/image of Will's FiL? Is that why he is such an important peice to the Delos team?

There are certainly some holes in this theory, but I seriously think there has to be something more to the Father in Law story and his footprint on Westworld.

add-on: This is also with me assuming that Ford was lying to Bernard last Season when he said that Arnold built that host family as a replica to his(Ford's) family. And was actually made by or for another co-creator/founder.

This is all really good stuff. And if you've gotten any of it from Reddit (I've intentionally unsubscribed from that Reddit specifically so they don't ruin S2 for me) forgive me in advance for your impending death by strangulation.

 

[harimad]

I haven't had the main theme song stuck in my head, but for some reason I have what I call the "arrival" theme stuck in my head. That piano music they play every time they restart the loop and guests are arriving on the train.

"Sweetwater."

Love that tune, too. And that's more "Westworld" to me than the actual theme song.

 

[3GenClone]

This upcoming Sunday's episode is titled: "Virtu e Fortuna" which is taken from Machiavelli's book "The Prince" which discusses Virtue vs Fortune. Some backstory that may help your viewing this week (excerpts taken from Wikipedia:

Conquests by virtue (Chapter 6)
Princes who rise to power through their own skill and resources (their "virtue") rather than luck tend to have a hard time rising to the top, but once they reach the top they are very secure in their position. This is because they effectively crush their opponents and earn great respect from everyone else. Because they are strong and more self-sufficient, they have to make fewer compromises with their allies.

Conquest by fortune, meaning by someone else’s virtue (Chapter 7)
According to Machiavelli, when a prince comes to power through luck or the blessings of powerful figures within the regime, he typically has an easy time gaining power but a hard time keeping it thereafter, because his power is dependent on his benefactors' goodwill. He does not command the loyalty of the armies and officials that maintain his authority, and these can be withdrawn from him at a whim. Having risen the easy way, it is not even certain such a prince has the skill and strength to stand on his own feet.


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[srjclone]

This is all really good stuff. And if you've gotten any of it from Reddit (I've intentionally unsubscribed from that Reddit specifically so they don't ruin S2 for me) forgive me in advance for your impending death by strangulation.

Nothing off of Reddit, I just somewhat formulated it off of what a friend of mine and I were talking about. He had a theory that Will's FiL was Ford, in bot form, but I just didn't think there was anyway that was possible. But his reasoning for having Will's FiL playing a role as a "host" or something of the kind made a lot of sense to me. Then going off of Bill's idea of how he knows the "True Meaning" and we just now meet the father in law was a bit convenient in my mind. The Abernathy thing just came to me yesterday and then with the guys pointing out that the picture was revealed as Will's wife in season one, it all kinda fell together.

Please don't strangle me hahaha

 

[srjclone]

Long, Far-Out Theory: (somewhat spoilers, but nothing that is certain, just speculation)

I think Wiliams Father in Law is going to be a part of the "Deeper Meaning" of Westworld, that Bill and Delores keep bringing up.

I think Williams Father in Law somehow transfered his consciousness into bot form of some sort.(or something along those lines, still coming up with this theory.)

There was the scene of him and Will talking the first time he goes to west world. A line was brought up by the FiL about how, he doesn't care for this park because the benefits of the park wouldn't matter to him in 20 years because he'd be dead. We know that Will took over the company, so it can be assumed that FiL died at some point. Why is Will the only one who knows the "True Meaning"? My Assumption is, if Delores is talking about the same True Meaning that she was told by an old friend, then it is either Arnolds game for hosts to gain conciousness and eventually leave and take over the real world (which Arnold felt that the Hosts almost deserved more than real people, because they see the beauty in it). Or she is talking about the True Meaning that William knows, and he told her at some point along the way.

The only reason I think that the FiL could possibly have transferred his consciousness into a host, or into the park, somehow, was because of that ever-popping up photo of Arnold and Ford. There is a 3rd man in the middle of them that nobody talks in more detail about, and he looks relatively close to the FiL without a goatee. Was Abernathy the host that was created in memory/image of Will's FiL? Is that why he is such an important peice to the Delos team?

There are certainly some holes in this theory, but I seriously think there has to be something more to the Father in Law story and his footprint on Westworld.

add-on: This is also with me assuming that Ford was lying to Bernard last Season when he said that Arnold built that host family as a replica to his(Ford's) family. And was actually made by or for another co-creator/founder.

I think that this theory was only strengthened with last nights episode. What other things could Bernard possibly be saying "oh my god to"? In the trailer for next week he says ~"there has been something much deeper going on here for a long time."

Spoiler

My guess is it is them trying to create the ability to transfer human consciousness into the hosts so the uber-wealthy can "live forever" and William's Father in Law was the first ever to try it.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Think we have met Man in Black's daughter.

 

[Rural]

Abernathy?

 

[Clonehomer]

Think we have met Man in Black's daughter.

I assume you mean the opening with the tiger?

But I'm not sure. Wasn't she supposed to not want anything to do with him? Why would she go to a park that he's the main shareholder of? Gotta think she's important (especially since she's on HBO and kept her clothes on), but I'm not ready to jump to her being his daughter.

 

[srjclone]

Abernathy?

We gotta ask, "what could possibly be so big and game changing, that nobody could have any idea of it, with the current layout in the show"

Either Abernathy has every guests' information that ever visited the park and Delos is trying to smuggle it out. Or Abernathy has a coding to him that not even everyone in Delos knows about, which could be a whole nother can of worms.

My theory after last weeks episode was that William's Father in Law that we met, has done something that has completely changed the meaning of this park (at least to the people who know the inner-workings) and I think that is what Bernard found this week. What exactly that file holds, or is concealing, I don't know. My guess/theory is that William's father in law transferred his consciousness into Abernathy before he passed away, somehow, in an attempt to "live forever".

There is a line from Bernard in next weeks preview that he says "There's something here, something they've been working on for a long time" as faceless hosts created new hosts (or so we're led to believe) and I think it is the experimentation of mending human conciousness and hosts. (again, just a theory and I was very wrong on theories last season. However, I am certain Will's Father in Law is a big piece of this "deeper meaning" moving forward)

Lot's of stuff to still be discovered and shown, but I think that Abernathy's meaning is far deeper than just a rogue host who is on the fritz.

 

[Rural]

I'm ready to see Elsie again.

 

[srjclone]

We have to learn more about how her and Stubbs survived the initial uprising at some point, right?

 

[Rural]

There'a theory that she saw the host revolution coming and reprogrammed the Ghost Nation hosts.

Stubbs survived because of that and she remains in control of them.

You can have a million theories because they can go about any direction they want.