Good enough to be drafted by the NBA as a 2nd rounder. He's not Mc3 coming off the bench.
Time to Start Wigg
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What if WIggintons 3P shooting last year was the outlier? How many great 3P shooters are poor FT shooters? Not many at all. This has become a concern of mine. I don't know what you do with him.
Leaving early for a non guaranteed contract doesn't make a lot of sense.
He has some very strong D'vauntes Smith-Rivera and Melo Trimble vibes right now.
Let me start by saying, Wiggy had an awful game last night. But I think it had more to do with the pressure of the game/environment/implications, with him forcing shots. But I would like to see him start on Saturday just to see if that helps take some of the pressure off, and get him more comfortable and confident. Playing out-of-conference games in the middle of the season is weird as hell and I don't like it, but we might as well take advantage of it and see if getting weird helps Wiggy.
*Also hoping not that many of you have the "dumb rating" for this*
*Also hoping not that many of you have the "dumb rating" for this*
I'll agree, it's a bad timing issue now. I'll argue he should have replaced THT either last Saturday, or last night, but even that is an issue now after THT had such a good stretch last night. However, he did start to get a little wild last night, and didn't play toward the end.
Even after a bad game, Wigginton still had a chance to be a hero last night. He hit the three, then could have had a lay in instead of being blocked (iowa st still got 1 point out of that possession), and he could have connected with Halliburton on the fast break, or taken it in for his own layup, either way they would have been up, and had a real good chance to win it.
No but it happens. So where is he going to go where people don't have that part of the fan base? By now these kids know they are hero's or goats and know that message board posters go off the rails. If they don't know that and can't handle it maybe big time basketball is not for them. If they go to the NBA they will get booed if they play poorly.
The calling out of his play through extremely poor word choice is pathetic on our fan bases part. The fact that some fail to see that guys have poor games or off nights. They fail to see that other guys on the team made poor choices as well, that in turn, affected the outcome of the game. But, of course, Wigginton becomes the whipping boy, which Cyclone Nation feels like someone needs to be every year.
The lack of defensive stops from KU's penetration had more to do with this teams loss. KU turned the ball over twice in the 2nd half, ISU had a fair amount of TO's. KU was more aggressive in the lane than ISU. The team was chucking up 3's while being in the bonus early on in the 2nd half. When you live by the 3, you die by the 3. Can't blame this one on the refs, don't seem to be blaming it on the defense, but lets choose to put ALL of the blame on WIGGINTON.
The bar for the mythical One and Done 2nd Rounder club isn’t high.
Getting drafted and playing at a high Big 12 level are far from coterminous. He wasn’t bad last year, but he was more of a volume guy than an effective Big 12 lead guard. It’s not shocking that he’s struggling some when more discretion is needed. Prohm wants to start him, but Wigginton’s defense puts Prohm in a tough spot imo.
I will say that Steve usually seems to play the hot hand. Last night I'm not sure why he put Wiggi in so long, it was clear it was not his night. Steve has said Wiggi will start sooner than later. THT seems like the guy to me shooting 38.8% FG, 29.2% 3P, 65% FT. It would be easier if he hadn't had the good first half last night, but he also went 0-4 on some bad shots during a 5+ minute stretch where we didn't score and KU went on a 14-0 run. THT is also where ball movement goes to die a lot. I think he'll be a great player at ISU but the other 4 starters are irreplaceable IMO, THT not so much from what we have seen.
On the "message it sends", I think you reinforce that this is a "we" before "me" by explaining that the best "we" result is Wiggi starting.
“If this....if that”. The bottom line is he didn’t make those plays and missed 2 critical FTs. The no look to Halliburton was just plain awful. He has been getting chances but last night was brutal. You can’t start him at this point. Halliburton is playing at a high level and u can’t start him over Babb.
I think he is pressing way too hard right now. He needs to commit to the defensive end and be an unselfish teammate on the offensive end. Then I think he will start to find his groove again.
Whether he is a volume shooter or not, he can shoot 10 3's a game if he's shooting 40%.
It's not like we are struggling for defense from the other 4 positions on the floor if Wiggi is in. He's not the most atrocious defender ever, either.
The only message it sends if the coach is a good communicator (and he is) is that this team needs Lindell to be on top of his game. I think the guys would be totally on board with that.
I think Wigginton’s current shooting is more of an outlier than last year’s, but Trimble’s worst year would be a good year for Wigginton.
Right, but the point is volume guys on bad teams get to shoot their team to a loss if it’s a 20% night without consequence. On a good team, volume guys struggling tends to mean less minutes, not more. Which goes back to how much better was he last year? Can he shoot the same on 3Ps without the same role (his two point shooting wasn’t great) and does starting revert him to that?
Lol, if that’s the argument for starting Wigginton, no wonder Prohm hasn’t made the move. We have other options that work. There’s not much to suggest we’re better with Wigginton on the floor. But sure, if starting him turns him into a player he’s never been, do it.
Does Wigginton need to get better? Yes. He is as bad as some make him out to be because they need a whipping boy? No.
1) Despite criticism he was a 'volume' scorer last season. He was on of the top 5 freshman guards in the country in terms of PER from I can tell.
2) He suffered an injury that caused him to miss a large amount of time not only as far as game time but practice time as well and then had to come back basically right into conference play in the toughest conference in college basketball and try to fit in with guys that have been playing a ton with each other. That isn't easy or automatic. He was also asked to take on an entirely new role for the team when he came back from injury. A bench guy. I don't care what anyone says but I guarantee you it is effecting him in some way.
3) His 'bad' play is being exaggerated when it is mostly bad shooting. His assist percentage is higher than last year and one of the highest on the team in conference. His TO% is not high at all. I have seen him make a ton of great passes so far that he didn't make last year. He is the best rebounding guard. He has forced shots at times but not every shot he misses has been forced. He has plenty of open looks that just haven't fallen. But I also think he needs to attack the rim more and that will get him going from outside.
Remember too that this is a kid who shot over 50% from two his senior year, 80% from the line and 38% from 3. So it isn't like he is a horribly inefficient scorer his whole life.
1) Despite criticism he was a 'volume' scorer last season. He was on of the top 5 freshman guards in the country in terms of PER from I can tell.
2) He suffered an injury that caused him to miss a large amount of time not only as far as game time but practice time as well and then had to come back basically right into conference play in the toughest conference in college basketball and try to fit in with guys that have been playing a ton with each other. That isn't easy or automatic. He was also asked to take on an entirely new role for the team when he came back from injury. A bench guy. I don't care what anyone says but I guarantee you it is effecting him in some way.
3) His 'bad' play is being exaggerated when it is mostly bad shooting. His assist percentage is higher than last year and one of the highest on the team in conference. His TO% is not high at all. I have seen him make a ton of great passes so far that he didn't make last year. He is the best rebounding guard. He has forced shots at times but not every shot he misses has been forced. He has plenty of open looks that just haven't fallen. But I also think he needs to attack the rim more and that will get him going from outside.
Remember too that this is a kid who shot over 50% from two his senior year, 80% from the line and 38% from 3. So it isn't like he is a horribly inefficient scorer his whole life.
He's got to get back in the swing of things, unfortunately there aren't any easy conference games for him to work the kinks out in.
This is a bit excessive, he has overwhelming support from the majority of the fan base. The 0.01%'ers on the game thread here and Twitter are just the loudest.
