Three years ago today...

chuckd4735

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Would you set up a 10-year payment plan on a below average quality vehicle, knowing that its likelihood of breaking down or losing value was high?

At the time, CPR was not considered a below average coach, and most didn't ever think there was a likelihood he would break down and lose value. Dumb post, BTW.
 

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Would you set up a 10-year payment plan on a below average quality vehicle, knowing that its likelihood of breaking down or losing value was high?

So you knew after Rhoads 3rd season that there was a "high likelyhood" that we'd have been so bad in years 5 and 6? Can I see the data you used to make that prediction?
 

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Would you set up a 10-year payment plan on a below average quality vehicle, knowing that its likelihood of breaking down or losing value was high?

College Football Head Coaching world != New/Used Car Market

If that logic somehow works in your view of the world, then there is no point in discussing.
 

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So you knew after Rhoads 3rd season that there was a "high likelyhood" that we'd have been so bad in years 5 and 6? Can I see the data you used to make that prediction?
The fact that the contract was signed based on basically a single game was concerning. Especially knowing that game was nothing short of a miracle. I could see that QB play was bad. I could see that he systematically destroyed every QB he played with the carousel of changing starters. I could see how he consistently lost close games when coaching decisions made the difference.
 

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I remember people thinking 10 years was too long and the terms were strange, but not many were against the extension.

Much like now, there was a ton of knee jerk reaction, except focused on the possibility of losing him.

i still think he is a good coach and look forward to what he will do with a stable set of good assistant coaches and a season with minimal injuries. Then, his contract will look like a bargain.
 

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The fact that the contract was signed based on basically a single game was concerning. Especially knowing that game was nothing short of a miracle. I could see that QB play was bad. I could see that he systematically destroyed every QB he played with the carousel of changing starters. I could see how he consistently lost close games when coaching decisions made the difference.

I had mixed feelings about Rhoads at the time (I was skeptical we could turn the corner, but we looked better positioned to do it than any time in the previous three decades), but to be fair, I don't think the contract was based on one game. At that point, we'd notched a few big upsets other than just OSU, and were getting ready for our 2nd bowl in 3 years.
 

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Also, I really like the fact that he wants to be here. He believes in the program, not just because it pays well, but because he really cares. That is pretty rare in college sports!
 

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The fact that the contract was signed based on basically a single game was concerning.

If you truly believe that, I'm pretty sure there is no help for you.

Look at Rhoads' record at the point the contract was signed and then look at the record of the three years before Rhoads' arrival and you will get a more accurate vision of why a new contract was offered.
 

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The fact that the contract was signed based on basically a single game was concerning. Especially knowing that game was nothing short of a miracle. I could see that QB play was bad. I could see that he systematically destroyed every QB he played with the carousel of changing starters. I could see how he consistently lost close games when coaching decisions made the difference.

Contract was not signed on a single game, and there was not a QB carousel at the time. Arnaud started most of 2009 and 2010, other then a few games in which he was injured, and Jantz probably started one too many games in 2011 before finally being yanked in the Texas A&M game after a horrid start. The QB carousel hit full speed in 2012.

Also, because I'm curious, please list the games we lost in CPR's first three years because of coaching decisions. The only one that comes to mind is Nebraska 2010, and that was a great coaching decision that was ruined by horrible execution.
 
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I was against it because I believe how we prepared for bowl games was a microcosm of how good a coach is. Our last two bowl games were complete train wrecks. Also how ill prepared we are for the first games.
 

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I was against it because I believe how we prepared for bowl games was a microcosm of how good a coach is. Our last two bowl games were complete train wrecks. Also how ill prepared we are for the first games.

Rhoads had only played in one bowl game at the time of the contract...and it was a win...
 

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I was against it because I believe how we prepared for bowl games was a microcosm of how good a coach is. Our last two bowl games were complete train wrecks. Also how ill prepared we are for the first games.

CPR was 1-0 in bowl games when the contract was signed.
 

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I was against it because I believe how we prepared for bowl games was a microcosm of how good a coach is. Our last two bowl games were complete train wrecks. Also how ill prepared we are for the first games.

I love the revisionist history here.

Paul Rhoads signed his contract extension on December 16, 2011. We played in the Pinstripe Bowl against Rutgers on December 30, 2011 and the Liberty bowl against Tulsa on December 31, 2012.

So you were against the extension even though it was prior to us playing those ill prepared bowl games? We were also were 3-0 in our first games in 2009, 2010, 2011.
 

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I love the revisionist history here.

Paul Rhoads signed his contract extension on December 16, 2011. We played in the Pinstripe Bowl against Rutgers on December 30, 2011 and the Liberty bowl against Tulsa on December 31, 2012.

So you were against the extension even though it was prior to us playing those ill prepared bowl games? We were also were 3-0 in our first games in 2009, 2010, 2011.

This is why I think these threads are so stupid. It is bad enough to be around people who think they are always right. It is worse to be around people who will try to change history so they can make themselves appear to always be right.
 

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Also, I really like the fact that he wants to be here. He believes in the program, not just because it pays well, but because he really cares. That is pretty rare in college sports!

I've seen this stated multiple times. I also like the fact that he believes in our program, cares about it, and loves it here. However, none of those are criteria that should be considered in someone's success or failure as a head coach.
 

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Like Paul Chyrst?

Chryst is 6-7, 7-6, 6-6 (19-19) in his 3 seasons at Pitt. Looks awfully familiar to Rhoads' first 3.

I think Chryst has a little more cred with Wisky and Alvarez than CPR did. Chryst played qb for Wisconsin, had coached in the NFL, and Alvarez had already hired him once as his offensive coordinator and he had some great offenses while there.
 

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Contract was not signed on a single game, and there was not a QB carousel at the time. Arnaud started most of 2009 and 2010, other then a few games in which he was injured, and Jantz probably started one too many games in 2011 before finally being yanked in the Texas A&M game after a horrid start. The QB carousel hit full speed in 2012.

Also, because I'm curious, please list the games we lost in CPR's first three years because of coaching decisions. The only one that comes to mind is Nebraska 2010, and that was a great coaching decision that was ruined by horrible execution.

Agree faking the extra point was a gutsy decision and set up perfectly. Only problem was the guy throwing the pass was a backup lineman or something and missed our wide open tight end by 10 yards. Kind of like Netten getting a pass halfway to a wide open Bibbs last year against Oky State while we've got 5 qb's sitting on the bench doing nothing.
 

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Agree faking the extra point was a gutsy decision and set up perfectly. Only problem was the guy throwing the pass was a backup lineman or something and missed our wide open tight end by 10 yards. Kind of like Netten getting a pass halfway to a wide open Bibbs last year against Oky State while we've got 5 qb's sitting on the bench doing nothing.

If you are talking the Nebraska game it was the back up punter holding and he didn't miss the TE, he underthrew it into a head wind. It would have gotten to him but the underthrow allowed the defender who was out of position time to get back and make the play.

He didn't miss him by 10 yards.
 

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