I'm still not sold on adding TCU, the idea of another Texas school when you already have the market just isn't as desirable. However, there are so many variable I guess it really isn't worth the breath until Missouri can decide what they are doing.
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Why does the big12 have to provide this when perfectly OK that the SEC explicitly does NOT provide these things? The SEC has no rights grant, they do not share tier 3, and Florida's network has shown HS games. I get the big12's current perception of instability, but it's becoming more clear the big12 is going to be fine for the long term. Everyone (Except mizzu) has pretty much agreed that the big12 is really the best deal any of us can get and although it's a bit awkward right now, everyone's getting back on board and wiping the egg off their faces. If the argument is simply that the SEC is currently a better conference right now, then I can't argue that. I'll agree that as of today the SEC is a "better" conference.
But, here's what I really don't get. It's also a fact that the the Big8 was "better" than the SEC 20 years ago and that the big12 was "better" 12 years ago. And the most important fact is that no-one knows who will be "better" 3 years from now. I could make a somewhat convincing argument that the SEC will be more "unstable" 3 years from now than the big12. The SEC has a rap for being corrupt and what happend to the last conference with a lot of coruptions (the SWC)? I would say that Texas going indipendent and throwing the big12 into disarray is just as likely as a massive recruiting corruption being revealed that throws the SEC into disarray. If Mizzu goes to the SEC and the 3 years later (for any of a thousand reasons) the SEC falls apart, then what would Mizzu's options be?
The big12 would never take them back. If the PAC won't take OU, OSU, or TT then Mizzu's not going to be an option. The Big10 has proven time and time again that mizzu is not worthy. With a worse football record (and therefore presumably less attendance, less fan following and less donor support) Mizzu would be even more unattractive. Once you lose all your options, suddenly life won't be so great anymore (see ISU's doomsday scenario today).
The point of this rant is that I really have no beef with Mizzu leaving to the SEC, or even how they're handling it. It's the school's decision and they can handle it however they want. I just do not understand why they would choose to leave the big12 now. The SEC option will still be available later and it's a much smarter play to take the wait and see approach until you are absolutely forced to make a move. So, if mizzu does leave and the SEC turns out to be a truly bad move then I can't wait till they come crawling back and we can tell them to just get cozy in the MAC.
Wait...you want Mizzou to sit tight and wait and see for LONGER?!
Fact is that if Mizzou turns down the SEC, they move on and take WVU the next day. And that window is closed. Forever. The B1G window was smashed on our fingers (ouch!) and depending on ND, may never open again. There's no guarantee that any conference will go to 16 teams...certainly not soon.
So there we would be, in the Big 12, handcuffed into a rights deal that may not be worth as much as we think it will be (nobody's explained why ESPN should pay us the same for games with L-ville and TCU instead of TAMU or Nebraska). The remaining Big 12 will be even more difficult to negotiate with, since we've lost any leverage we might have had. But it won't really matter, because a sizeable amount of our fanbase will have gone COMPLETELY berserk for passing on the SEC. That would wreck Missouri athletics far faster than anything the SEC can deal out.
I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. The time is DEFINITELY NOW. It's not like we'd leave the SEC...Vandy doesn't even try and they get to stay in. There's no precedent for a team moving into a conference, and then dropping back out again. The MAC will have to wait. :smile:
Even before this latest SEC idiocy, I've hated Missouri the most out of all the Big 12 teams in this realignment process. More than Nebraska, more than Texas, more than A&M, more than Oklahoma. They are the ones who created the "instability" in the first place by trying to ***** themselves out to the Big Ten. Realignment and the possible collapse of the Big 12 wasn't something that anybody was even thinking of before that. Things were completely stable, and we were one of the top 2 overall conferences. ******* idiots.
Angry fan base are you kidding me? They would get over it, nobody is gonna stop watching football because they didn't leave to another conference. And what would a bunch of "fans" know about the ramifications of switching conferences and whether that would be the smart move? You realize that Arkansas will be the only close rival game? KU, KSU, ISU, etc will never play Missouri in nonconference play and they shouldn't. Mark my words, MU to the SEC would be football suicide.
On a personal note, if the Big 12 stays in tact with MU gone, that does nothing but benefit ISU fans so by all means, see ya.
Totally disagree. The SEC will find a way to continue to justify expansion as long as it makes teams more money.
It doesn't matter whether the SEC is at 12, 14, 16, 18, or 20 teams...if they make money by adding you, then they will. If they don't make money by adding you, then they won't.
No way is expansion capped at 14. I don't even believe its capped at 16 if Oklahoma calls up, or Virginia Tech...even if somehow Ohio State or USC were to call up someday and ask if they can join, then the SEC will find a way to make it work.
You even look at this proposed Big Country conference of 24 teams...once you get past 12 you're really never going to see a lot of other teams in your conference, so what does it matter? They'll add forever if it makes money.
I absolutely agree. While I don't think that West Virginia is the next serious candidate if Missouri passes, I think the best case is for Missouri to move:
- it balances out the SEC, leving them and the ACC at 14 teams each
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- it ends the (for lack of a better term) "bickering" between Mizzou and the Big 12
- from an ISU standpoint, it removes 1 more competitor and increases the chances for future invite for super-conference affiliation (whether it be Big East, Big 10, some reworked Big 12, or a new AQ conference)
- Missouri gains what I think they wanted all along - increased donations. Even if the new SEC TV deal is the same as what the Big 12 offers, Mizzou has the chance to energize the fanbase and bring in more donations with an SEC move:
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- Current Missouri leadership (Deaton and the rest of the AD) hold onto their jobs
I would much prefer to see the Tigers stay in a new Big 12 conference, but I think that University has too much riding on this move and if the current administration takes a pass on the SEC they will miss their chance.
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False. Jessica Alba from Missouri is every bit as good looking as Jessica Alba from Alabama. There just aren't as many of them.
Tulane is also about the only school that teaches French law in the country. This is used in Lousiana.
The Big 12 is enacting equal revenue sharing on tiers I and II. Schools keep their shares of Tier III. Same exact deal the SECSECSEC has and a major improvement from what we had.
Don't like the LHN? Let's make our own! Act like a good conference member and savvy businessman.
We like you Mizzou. Don't inadvertantly kill your programs so your fans can do some stupid chant.
Actually, Nebby lost their first Big Ten game and their BCS aspirations again, CU Later maybe lost their first Pac 12 game, TAMmy was just beat be Arkansas of the SEC by a total collapse of their EWestern Front. Who is next in line? Mizzou want some pudding too?
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That isn't even close to anything he said.
Anywho, Mizzou isn't going to the SEC. They are trying to leverage the B1G into inviting them. Its like the slut at the bar who wants guy 1 going to guy 2 and grinding all over him because she knows guy 1 hates guy 2. Mizzou is a slut.
In a way I wish they would go to the SEC. Watching Pinkels head asplode would be kind of fun.
It was exactly what he said. That Missouri prospects aren't as good as southern prospects. False.
So your argument is:I haven't been here that long...I don't know who Boomer or Aggie are. I assume there aren't a lot of non-Cyclones who visit here?
I think it's pretty unlikely that Mizzou stays at this point, if they've got an SEC invite. A lot of the fan base has already checked-out emotionally from the Big 12, and it would take a hell of a sales job by the Chancellor and AD to get them to accept that outcome.
Again, I don't speak for everyone, but I welcome the challenge. We'll endure some sub-par or non-winning seasons if it means seeing some great college games against national powers. You remember how bad we were in the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton administrations? We're very patient...we can endure quite a bit.
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It just seems like you would have had a chance for B1G at some point and by doing the Deep South, you can kiss that number goodbye. You will have to go find another Scam Newton to compete.
Of course Slive wants more money from ESPN. He is like Derek Fisher of the NBA. In the end, it is money. ESPN and FOX has already paid once for aTm and MO rights and Slive the Shyster wants them to pay some more for a retread product.
Does a 5-10% kickup in the SEC make it worth not going to bowls? Oh, that's right, Mizzou fans do not travel to bowls.
Does Mizzou really have it that bad in the B12? Why are they so disgruntled? Stability? I think the B12 is close to fixing that. Recognition? I think the north Division should be a fine opportunity for recognition. Your biggest competition appears to be KissU. GameDay? Will not happen in Columbia when you play LSU. Money? Verdict is out when 2016 comes. Prestige? When Big 12 goes 12 or 14, things could change as to which conference plays better football. Things change. LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida have not always been the Schools of God in football. Things ebb. Weather? Nice and hot in the fall. Nice in the late fall. Okay then, you are going for the weather. Have fun on your Tuscaloosa road trips.
AND YOU DON'T THINK YOU WILL NOT BE TRASHED IN THE SEC? Two months and you will be Chizslacked before you know it. Better have Pinkel order the limos now for recruiting. The SEC is viscious in recruiting. Bring your stash of bills.
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