The Social Dilemma - Netflix

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I just watched this after a few friends recommended it. Definitely had me re-thinking my social media habits. I don’t consider myself addicted, but I definitely spend more time on there than I should. I have some really bad habits from this election cycle (Twitter).

I’ve filtered my FB way down to basically hobbies and close friends/family. I use Instagram more than anything, I think.

I’d have to agree that social media is causing lots of new problems with society that we have yet to solve.

Anyone else watch this? What did you think?
 
With you until the last line.

You trust the American population and the social media companies to figure it out? I don't. There needs to be regulation on the amount/type of data that can be collected. The social media companies don't care, all they care about is how to make money. Americans, as a collective whole... well, you've seen what is happening.

I'm not for overbearing government but what else do you do?
 
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Honestly I basically don't use social media other than this website and it has improved my life. I'm off twitter. I only use Facebook because my kids' day care posts pictures on it. I've basically unfollowed everybody. I don't use the 'gram.

I don't know how you regulate it. There probably should be some sort of surgeon general's warning or something.
 
You trust the American population and the social media companies to figure it out? I don't. There needs to be regulation on the amount/type of data that can be collected. The social media companies don't care, all they care about is how to make money. Americans, as a collective whole... well, you've seen what is happening.

I'm not for overbearing government but what else do you do?

I may have misinterpreted your meaning there- if the regulation are privacy protections, then I'm with you there too.
 
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I watched it with my teens and we discussed how these companies influence people without them being aware. We talk regularly about internet safety, critical thinking, and data privacy. I hope some of my preaching is sinking in.
 
May have to watch this now... I don't user Twitter and I've always had a strict no politics policy for myself with posting or replying to anything on Facebook. I use it mostly for family updates and positive stuff that is on my mind or may make a comment on a community group if there is something relevant to add. Such a waste of time and effort to use it for getting into political rants and arguments because there never is a winner and in the process you usually piss off some people that supposedly are your friends. Even finding that lately I check FB less and less because people post so much garbage on it anymore I just don't find a lot of it very interesting lately.

I do dread the day my girls get old enough to want their own FB or Twitter...
 
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I deleted Twitter and have greatly reduced my Facebook presence. Probably haven't posted on Facebook in a few years, and will occasionally throw out a "like" on non-political, family posts.

I was doing real well with cutting out social media and then I stumbled on Tik Tok, but that's mostly just for laughs.
 
I watched it and had a little bit different take. I'm surprised at the amount of people who are shocked by this. It's like all of those people who used to freakout because Facebook is 'gonna start charging' us next week. Umm...no, you're not paying because YOU are the product. Anyone who doesn't realize this has their head in the sand.

And personally, I don't care for the most part. If they want to send me an ad for a leaf blower because I searched for one at home depot, fine. I have the freedom and ability to chose whether to click or buy that product. The social influence these platforms have is a bit worrisome, but it's more the people than the platform to me. Good luck with figuring out whether to target Right/Left leaning propaganda to me. I read a lot of the RWNJ crap my friends spew so that I'm up to date on their latest conspiracy. I wish more people would learn to look at things from multiple perspectives.

Lastly, the effect these have on youths is somewhat troublesome, but again, it's just how people handle it, not necessarily the platform. The parenting displayed in this film is some of the worst I've ever seen. Talk to your kids about how to get both sides of the story and make informed decisions.

Overall, I see these things as tools that can be abused or used and it's up to us to learn how to use them for societal benefit rather than the later. Having intelligent people simply 'sign-off' will only lead to an Idiocracy type world. We'll have more and more of these 'tools' in the future, let's learn how to use them rather than ditch them.
 
The aim of The Social Dilemma is to at least get people to start to realize that there is a problem, and I really appreciate the work being done by those involved with its production. There is a lot more sinister stuff going on with social media in general and its spread is global. Facebook does work to delete and remove 100s of millions of fake accounts every month on average. You think those accounts are simply being used to give likes and follows? There's a rabbit hole to tumble down here that the documentary does not touch on much.

I watched the documentary a few weeks ago and have been listening to some of the podcasts put out by The Center for Humane Technology, one of the film's main contributors. The podcast name is "Your Undivided Attention" and they go in to a lot more detail about specific tactics of social media companies, discussion on the attention economy (their term for basically any form of media that is competing for your clicks/views), social psychology, mental health impact, possible steps to address, and a lot more.

I've been heavily against social media personally for 10+ years so this kind of thing is interesting to me. However, my viewpoint has been more along the lines of "I'm not going to participate, and those big companies can't get to me. Sucks to be those other people wasting their time." But that mindset is shifting as I see these things weaponized more and more.

There has been a thought bugging me for a long while though. "Where would we be if the best programmers, engineers, etc weren't getting paid top dollar to work at the big tech companies trying to maximize profit?"
That's starting to sound pretty anti-capitalist, but I assure you I'm not. Just a thought that's been rolling around.

And I'm not an all-out free market guy. Definitely not as much as I used to be.
But it's tough to say that without intervention outside of the market we would have as quickly addressed things like leaded gasoline, CFCs, and pesticides such as DDT. Obviously it did not happen until there was government intervention. It took 50+ years of leaded gasoline use and research showing that 10s of millions of children were being exposed to toxic levels of it before the EPA was established and mandated that cars be able to burn unleaded fuel in 1975. And finally in 1996 unleaded gas was banned for almost all land vehicles.

This is getting a bit long-winded, and I don't want to divert the discussion away from the documentary.
But the point I'm getting to is that, compared to the negatives and potential for misuse that we are starting to see in social media and technology, we have had much more easily identifiable negative impacts from using certain chemicals or compounds.

We've seen how things have changed so rapidly in the US by looking at the last 4 presidential elections and the perception of them in the media. Not-so-coincidentally this lines up with widespread smart phone and social media acceptance.
So, I think The Social Dilemma is trying to spur the conversation of the negatives of social media forward a little faster.

Tl;dr -
We live in a world in which a tree and a whale is worth more financially dead than alive. For as long as corporations act in this way and are unregulated, these corporations are going to continue to destroy trees, to mine the earth… Now humans are the trees and whales. We are more profitable while we are spending time staring at a screen and consuming advertising and providing data to these big unregulated companies like Facebook, Google and the like.
Justin Rosenstein – Co-Founder of Asana and One Project; Former engineering lead at Facebook; Former product manager at Google
 
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And personally, I don't care for the most part. If they want to send me an ad for a leaf blower because I searched for one at home depot, fine. I have the freedom and ability to chose whether to click or buy that product. The social influence these platforms have is a bit worrisome, but it's more the people than the platform to me. Good luck with figuring out whether to target Right/Left leaning propaganda to me. I read a lot of the RWNJ crap my friends spew so that I'm up to date on their latest conspiracy. I wish more people would learn to look at things from multiple perspectives.

It doesn't impact you because it looks like you can critically think for yourself. But it does impact people who believe every post and meme shared on Facebook. At the end of the movie, they talk about how it has radicalized people - that is the scary part because we are seeing it directly happen after this election.

To me, Twitter is less of an issue since you choose who you follow, you see all of their tweets, and ads are much less limited. Facebook, on the otherhand, is a disaster. They control what you see and every third post is an add or "suggested content". I'm found myself using less and less of FB recently and, once this election is over, I could see not using it much at all.
 
The aim of The Social Dilemma is to at least get people to start to realize that there is a problem, and I really appreciate the work being done by those involved with its production. There is a lot more sinister stuff going on with social media in general and its spread is global. Facebook does work to delete and remove 100s of millions of fake accounts every month on average. You think those accounts are simply being used to give likes and follows? There's a rabbit hole to tumble down here that the documentary does not touch on much.

I watched the documentary a few weeks ago and have been listening to some of the podcasts put out by The Center for Humane Technology, one of the film's main contributors. The podcast name is "Your Undivided Attention" and they go in to a lot more detail about specific tactics of social media companies, discussion on the attention economy (their term for basically any form of media that is competing for your clicks/views), social psychology, mental health impact, possible steps to address, and a lot more.

I've been heavily against social media personally for 10+ years so this kind of thing is interesting to me. However, my viewpoint has been more along the lines of "I'm not going to participate, and those big companies can't get to me. Sucks to be those other people wasting their time." But that mindset is shifting as I see these things weaponized more and more.

There has been a thought bugging me for a long while though. "Where would we be if the best programmers, engineers, etc weren't getting paid top dollar to work at the big tech companies trying to maximize profit?"
That's starting to sound pretty anti-capitalist, but I assure you I'm not. Just a thought that's been rolling around.

And I'm not an all-out free market guy. Definitely not as much as I used to be.
But it's tough to say that without intervention outside of the market we would have as quickly addressed things like leaded gasoline, CFCs, and pesticides such as DDT. Obviously it did not happen until there was government intervention. It took 50+ years of leaded gasoline use and research showing that 10s of millions of children were being exposed to toxic levels of it before the EPA was established and mandated that cars be able to burn unleaded fuel in 1975. And finally in 1996 unleaded gas was banned for almost all land vehicles.

This is getting a bit long-winded, and I don't want to divert the discussion away from the documentary.
But the point I'm getting to is that, compared to the negatives and potential for misuse that we are starting to see in social media and technology, we have had much more easily identifiable negative impacts from using certain chemicals or compounds.

We've seen how things have changed so rapidly in the US by looking at the last 4 presidential elections and the perception of them in the media. Not-so-coincidentally this lines up with widespread smart phone and social media acceptance.
So, I think The Social Dilemma is trying to spur the conversation of the negatives of social media forward a little faster.

Tl;dr -

After seeing how most companies act in unregulated environments, I'm no longer a "trust the free market to work and trust businesses to do the right thing" guy. People can't be trusted to do that (see Iowa re: pandemic) and businesses are even worse. The free market concept is good...until you realize these companies aren't good and prioritize money and profits over literally everything else.
 
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It doesn't impact you because it looks like you can critically think for yourself. But it does impact people who believe every post and meme shared on Facebook. At the end of the movie, they talk about how it has radicalized people - that is the scary part because we are seeing it directly happen after this election.

To me, Twitter is less of an issue since you choose who you follow, you see all of their tweets, and ads are much less limited. Facebook, on the otherhand, is a disaster. They control what you see and every third post is an add or "suggested content". I'm found myself using less and less of FB recently and, once this election is over, I could see not using it much at all.
I'm actually quite Progressive in most areas and welcome govt regulation when necessary...and there probably is some need here. I just don't think that the solution is for those that can think critically to abandon the technology which is what seems to be happening.
 
I watched this a few weeks ago and changed a few of my habits accordingly:

- Deleted the Twitter app because it was a time suck (still have an account, just spend much less time using the web version, deleted Facebook years ago so that's not an issue)
- Turned off notifications for almost everything
- Became more vigilant about not using my phone until kids are in bed

I don't remember the exact line, but one of the most helpful parts for me was thinking of our phones more specifically as tools. Whether it is a hammer or a calculator, a tool is there when you need it but doesn't fight for your attention when it is idle. From this point forward, I ignore anything on my phone that is sending notifications for the sole purpose of increasing my time on that app. If I choose to use it, it is my decision.

I feel extremely lucky to have come of age before all of this became widespread, and I shudder to think of the world my kids will grow up in if we don't change course.
 
I just watched this after a few friends recommended it. Definitely had me re-thinking my social media habits. I don’t consider myself addicted, but I definitely spend more time on there than I should. I have some really bad habits from this election cycle (Twitter).

I’ve filtered my FB way down to basically hobbies and close friends/family. I use Instagram more than anything, I think.

I’d have to agree that social media is causing lots of new problems with society that we have yet to solve.

Anyone else watch this? What did you think?

I've basically replaced Facebook with Instagram and it seems a million times less toxic. I mostly follow businesses, family members, and entities (musicians, comedians, ISU sports, etc) that I'm into. I don't have any family members who are into RWNJ conspiracies or prone to emotional oversharing, so that makes it easy.

I deleted the Facebook app from my phone, and only log in about once a week via computer to clear my notifications out. I can't imagine how bummed out and angry I'd be this past week if I was looking at Facebook every 30 minutes.
 
Might have to give it a watch but not like i am abandoning FB and such. I've been mostly stuck at home alone since beginning of March. FB is sorta my friends and family lifeline along with some groups for local civics, ISU alumni etc. I dumped "friends" that polluted my timeline with crazy **** starting back in 2016. I did notice a big difference this election year as a opposed to 2016. I didn't see any crazy false stories like I saw popping into my Timeline like in 2016. 2016 was crazy with nutty stuff like Pizzagate and other crackpot stuff. Maybe the crackdown helped or maybe dumping idiots and ******** as friends helped or maybe the algorithms are insidiously more accurate and they determined the crazy **** was not a match for me....anyway, it is different.

Still can be sorta cray cray at time. Had a guy taking issue with a light hearted story I shared on a car site. Clicked on his profile and it's all pictures of him and his militia buddies and their AR-15's. Yikes.
 
I'm actually quite Progressive in most areas and welcome govt regulation when necessary...and there probably is some need here. I just don't think that the solution is for those that can think critically to abandon the technology which is what seems to be happening.

It's happening because these platforms have become a toxic wasteland and critically thinking people are starting to understand what they are doing to themselves.

The platforms have 100% control of this. It's not the users responsibility to clean the place up. I couldn't be happier I'm off of it for the most part.
 

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