That game was fixed

[Newell]

Wasn't ISU a +2? That's what I could find online today. So if ISU was a 2 point dog then what is the incentive to hold the score down for the Clones?

ISU covered. Was there a different spread earlier in the week? Did the ref bet the under?

Okay, they had money on KSU to win even. It wasn't simply bad officiating. It was one or more officials intervening with a valid flag thrown by another official to overturn the call and benefit KSU.

I've been watching football longer than I want to admit - I played with no facemask on my helmet - and I've never seen anything like that. That game was fixed and the most likely explanation is cash.

 

[urb1]

Some on here were upset that CMC did not pull a Rhoads moment and complain about the refs.

As a fan, I also do not blame the refs (even though suspicous) because we played terrible for 2 minutes. Now before you call me names and tell me how stupid I am and tell all your friends to dislike my posts . It is clear that I have a minority position on this.

I did see a tweet Saturday that Campbell was giving the refs hell after the game.

 

[VeloClone]

I really get mad at the idiots calling it a losers mentality. If I was the head coach and losing my mind, yes. Looking at the game with no influence whatsoever, its called logic. That could have been Western Michigan against St Mary's. The answer would be the same. The most likely answer is he was essentially point shaving, although I don't know what you would call that with a ref.

Also, if the refs were just incompetent, where were the holds on KSU? They had one on the kick return and then Sean proceeds to go all Paul Rhoads. Was that a loser mentality? That was right after the questionable taunting call for dropping the ball and not called by the ref right near the play.

Lazard has gotten mugged many times this year and I do think the refs tended to swallow the refs just do to his size. Makes his catches all the more impressive.

There were plenty of things to complain about in that game, but that taunting call was not one of them if I have seen the correct play. He knew exactly what he was doing, he looked directly at the defender as he dropped the ball on him and it should be called.

2:20, right?

http://www.cyclones.com/watch/?Archive=9321&category=2&type=Archive

 

[ArgentCy]

Perhaps, but the official right in front did not throw the flag unless he did so well after the play. I think it was borderline but I want to know which official threw that flag.

 

[casey1973]

Has anyone e-mailed JP about what happenned? I think I'm going to. Probably no response but I'll give it a shot.

 

[TykeClone]

There were plenty of things to complain about in that game, but that taunting call was not one of them if I have seen the correct play. He knew exactly what he was doing, he looked directly at the defender as he dropped the ball on him and it should be called.

2:20, right?

http://www.cyclones.com/watch/?Archive=9321&category=2&type=Archive

He waited for the guy to roll over and look back before dropping the ball. Can't argue with that call (but they should have picked up that flag too)

 

[cyhiphopp]

Has anyone e-mailed JP about what happenned? I think I'm going to. Probably no response but I'll give it a shot.

Are you serious?

What's the point? Especially almost a week later? Pretty sure JP is aware and as upset about it as the next ISU fan. Anything he can do he's probably done already.

 

[3TrueFans]

Has anyone e-mailed JP about what happenned? I think I'm going to. Probably no response but I'll give it a shot.

Well, I wasn't going to do anything, but if that casey1973 guy thinks something is amiss then just maybe....

 

[casey1973]

Are you serious?

What's the point? Especially almost a week later? Pretty sure JP is aware and as upset about it as the next ISU fan. Anything he can do he's probably done already.

Perhaps but I know this happened one other time and Pollard was upset as well and wasn't afraid to voice his opinion and just surprised we've heard nothing.

 

[VeloClone]

Perhaps but I know this happened one other time and Pollard was upset as well and wasn't afraid to voice his opinion and just surprised we've heard nothing.

Pollard supported his coach's tack at that time and this time he is again supporting his coach's way of dealing with it. I think that is perfect.

 

[casey1973]

Pollard supported his coach's tack at that time and this time he is again supporting his coach's way of dealing with it. I think that is perfect.

Never thought of it that way. Good Point.

 

[CyCloned]

The thing that gets me is the head ref was not in the position to make the call, did not review any film, just basically told the other guys, sorry, you didn't see that correctly, you better pick that flag up.

The late hit on Kempt should have been mandatorily reviewed. If you watch the replay you can see the was not only late, but his helmet hit Kempt's. Not really hard, but you can see Kempt's head snap back on the contact.

 

[ArgentCy]

You hit a QB that clearly slid feet first, that's a penalty. It took some time for the H, Head Linesman to throw the flag but he did and good ole boy Reggie came running in.

 

[3TrueFans]

You hit a QB that clearly slid feet first, that's a penalty. It took some time for the H, Head Linesman to throw the flag but he did and good ole boy Reggie came running in.

It was the Umpire that threw the flag.

 

[CyCloned]

You hit a QB that clearly slid feet first, that's a penalty. It took some time for the H, Head Linesman to throw the flag but he did and good ole boy Reggie came running in.

I think it got to the point where the other officials were afraid to throw a flag.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Here's the thing that is confusing me.. Let's say that the fix was on...

Did the person influencing the refs really bet on Kansas State to win straight up? Kansas State was favored by 3 so the people betting on K-State against the spread still lost. Additionally, the game hit the under, so the extra score by K-State didn't matter. It doesn't seem likely that someone would put the fix in but then bet on Kansas State to win only straight up when they can make more money betting against the spread, especially when they have a ref who is helping to make that happen.

If we want to say that a Kansas State booster paid the ref to ensure a win, then carry on.

 

[Cloneon]

Here's the thing that is confusing me.. Let's say that the fix was on...

Did the person influencing the refs really bet on Kansas State to win straight up? Kansas State was favored by 3 so the people betting on K-State against the spread still lost. Additionally, the game hit the under, so the extra score by K-State didn't matter. It doesn't seem likely that someone would put the fix in but then bet on Kansas State to win only straight up when they can make more money betting against the spread, especially when they have a ref who is helping to make that happen.

If we want to say that a Kansas State booster paid the ref to ensure a win, then carry on.

Double down. One for spread the other for win. That would explain the horrible sequence of holding calls in the beginning and none by K-State. Sorry. I, too, have been watching since no face masks. And I've never seen anything like that.

 

[scottl2001]

The thing that gets me is the head ref was not in the position to make the call, did not review any film, just basically told the other guys, sorry, you didn't see that correctly, you better pick that flag up.

The late hit on Kempt should have been mandatorily reviewed. If you watch the replay you can see the was not only late, but his helmet hit Kempt's. Not really hard, but you can see Kempt's head snap back on the contact.

Yup. Under today's rules, clearly a penalty. Is the rule a bit over protective? Perhaps, but that's a different conversation. Bottom line that's a penalty in today's game, period end of story. Can't believe there was even a referee huddle, let alone an overturn. We, as well as other teams, have been penalized in that circumstance for a lot less egregious hit.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Yup. Under today's rules, clearly a penalty. Is the rule a bit over protective? Perhaps, but that's a different conversation. Bottom line that's a penalty in today's game, period end of story. Can't believe there was even a referee huddle, let alone an overturn. We, as well as other teams, have been penalized in that circumstance for a lot less egregious hit.

Exactly. And usually when this happens to a QB in any other game not only would it have been flagged.............it would have gone to the booth to see if blatant enough for ejection. They would not have found it to be that bad......but they CERTAINLY wouldn't have picked up the flag and said "nothing to see here".

 

[ArgentCy]

Double down. One for spread the other for win. That would explain the horrible sequence of holding calls in the beginning and none by K-State. Sorry. I, too, have been watching since no face masks. And I've never seen anything like that.

They may have even gone for the trifecta with an under bet. It would also partly explain why the calls were worse in first and fourth quarters. ISU must have had a penalty almost 1 out of 3-4 plays in Q1.