Also, the last couple plays are a little blurry, but didn't the ref initially spot the ball at the 3 yard line, a full 2 yards short of where KSU was down on that 3rd to last play. Just weird how they **** their pants as a crew the last few minutes.
That game was fixed
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Didn't they spot it on the 1, then move it back to the 3 at the very last minute, right before the TO?
What happened during the handshake? I was there so didn't get the tv advantage. All I saw was Campbell being restrained by 2 cops to keep him from going after the corrupt ref. I would have loved to see him lay into that official but that' not why we lost.
How about some better playcalling and game management at the end from this coachig staff? Or maybe don' play off so far on their receivers and go into prevent? I've seen Kstates receivers numerous times in person, and they them beating us deep was the last thing Campbell should have been worried about.
We need to have the list of referees posted as "Most Wanted" in Ames. In future games where one or more of them show up we need to be showing their missed calls on the big screen for all to see and boo them off the field.
If the BIG12 had any integrity the whole crew would be fired.
If the BIG12 had any integrity the whole crew would be fired.
It was a horrible call, even the Kstste fans knew it after the game. I can tell you they were equally as shocked that once again our end of game management down there was just as incompetent as the previous coaching staff.
Lol, you mean the two officers that travel with the team? Those officers always surround the coach right away. If you don't know this, you probably haven't ever watched us in person or TV, outside of Kstate games. See the thread about Snyder saying he was cheering for us and we deserved to win. Definite Fry style douchey move.
Oh please, he was nothing but humble and was prasising Campbell and Iowa State not only in the press conference but in his tv show taping as well.
Thats just plain sour grapes if you think that was his intention. He has alot of respect for Campbell and our players. I won't even get into the fact alot of his family are Isu fans, so yeah, I'm sure his intention was to embarrass his own family by pulling a "douche move" like that.
I’d say mainly the three picked up flags and the last false start. That combo gave them the game.
My question is this on the picked up flags...don't we have instant replay to determine these things?
Why were refs standing on the field making these decisions based of memory when there are officials with the benefit of High Def, multiple angle, replay?
Why were refs standing on the field making these decisions based of memory when there are officials with the benefit of High Def, multiple angle, replay?
I took a day to really think this over. My first thought was this was fixed, much like most of you. I guess I don't really know what interest the Big 12 has in KSU winning that game. Similar records, similar fan bases, similar locales. I don't know. I guess the more I think about it the less I think there was some push from the Big 12 to decide the outcome.
That said, I still can't make sense of any of it. It was as bizarrely officiated of game as I can think of. The hold that wasn't on Garcia. Missing them being off sides on multiple big plays. Allowing their offensively linemen to be "caused to jump offside" a good two seconds after out guy entered then exited the neutral zone. I can recall two plays as well where KSU receivers were blatantly blocking before the ball was thrown.
Missed calls happen, but then there are the picked up flags. Each one took on the same sequence of events-- referee in position throws a flag, head referee runs over and changes the call. It's befuddling. I would love to have known where he was positioned on each of these, but especially the PI. There just no chance he could have been in an position to see it better than the one who threw the flag, who was in close enough position that he was on the television picture at the time. It's just defies logic. Again, I don't know what the deal was, but it was something. Maybe the whole ordeal with the KSU assistant shook him. Maybe there was some outside influence. I don't know. But I've yet to hear any other logical interpretation, which leads me to my next point-- make them accountable. Make them have to describe what happened. Why are they above having to meet with the media and explain their thought process? Why are they protected like this? This is a multi-million dollar industry. Coaches jobs hang on a win or loss here and there. Athletic directors jobs hinge on it as well. Fans donate thousands of dollars and spend their money and time to support their teams. All that on the line, and one guy can take it away and not be questioned about his choices.
Ugh. I thought I'd have cooled down by now, but this one is absurd and without the ref telling his side of the story it leaves a void that can't quite be answered.
That said, I still can't make sense of any of it. It was as bizarrely officiated of game as I can think of. The hold that wasn't on Garcia. Missing them being off sides on multiple big plays. Allowing their offensively linemen to be "caused to jump offside" a good two seconds after out guy entered then exited the neutral zone. I can recall two plays as well where KSU receivers were blatantly blocking before the ball was thrown.
Missed calls happen, but then there are the picked up flags. Each one took on the same sequence of events-- referee in position throws a flag, head referee runs over and changes the call. It's befuddling. I would love to have known where he was positioned on each of these, but especially the PI. There just no chance he could have been in an position to see it better than the one who threw the flag, who was in close enough position that he was on the television picture at the time. It's just defies logic. Again, I don't know what the deal was, but it was something. Maybe the whole ordeal with the KSU assistant shook him. Maybe there was some outside influence. I don't know. But I've yet to hear any other logical interpretation, which leads me to my next point-- make them accountable. Make them have to describe what happened. Why are they above having to meet with the media and explain their thought process? Why are they protected like this? This is a multi-million dollar industry. Coaches jobs hang on a win or loss here and there. Athletic directors jobs hinge on it as well. Fans donate thousands of dollars and spend their money and time to support their teams. All that on the line, and one guy can take it away and not be questioned about his choices.
Ugh. I thought I'd have cooled down by now, but this one is absurd and without the ref telling his side of the story it leaves a void that can't quite be answered.
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But, the definition of incompetence is the inability to perform a task successfully. Such as correctly spelling incompetence.
Sorry...couldn’t resist. Writing is what I do.
From my vantage point in my living room, it appeared that their fans booo'd their way out of all three of the calls. Good for them for making a group of professionals, who are paid to be impartial, wet their pants on national tv.
It did seem that way. I can't think of one time that ever worked for ISU fans.
Don't overthink it. It could be as easy as a referee getting some money from an insider betting the game (hope he laid the points and still lost). It would take an incompetent or splitting some with the Big XII official but that's about all.
I want to point out one thing, ksu winning this game assured another team in the conference with a winning record regardless of bowl outcomes
I also believe Reggie wanted Bill to go out of Snyder Family Stadium with a win, I think everyone expects Bill to retire.
Don't know how much this played into the crews conversations, but I'm sure that none of them wanted to be the reason Snyder lost his last game.
I also believe Reggie wanted Bill to go out of Snyder Family Stadium with a win, I think everyone expects Bill to retire.
Don't know how much this played into the crews conversations, but I'm sure that none of them wanted to be the reason Snyder lost his last game.
If they had called the false start, would there have been a runoff and game over?
