Young has a nice stroke. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make 35+ percent from three, which makes him a legitimate threat.
Team analysis/observations after Hilton Madness
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Yeah, when I turned 17, I was maybe 6’3 165 and then was 6’4 200 in a year. Hell, and then I spent a year playing video games in Friley and actually improved at rec ball. Most of these guys have a ton of development in front of them.
A lot. Every time I talked to a girl I lost a lot of sweat.
Talley's shot looked really good in this event, I bet he shoots a decent percentage from deep, plus NWB not being 4th or 5th option from deep will help him. He seems to have a swagger about him he didn't have deferring to our other guards last year.
I was going to say to people --
Where is the trust there will be incremental progress from juniors who then become seniors or, maybe most importantly, freshmen becoming sophomores?
Wiggi || Jackson || NWB || Talley || Young
...one year, might not seem much different than...
Wiggi || Shayok || NWB || Talley || Young
...the next, but consider how much better the four returning starters could get over the course of next year and then coming back together the season afterwards.
Add in after that Lewis and Lard will be a year older, making the sophomore leap after likely significant bench roles next season, and the recruiting class we are bringing in, with Griffin, THT, and Harris (of those we eventually land in the end of it) definitely ready to contribute on some level as freshmen, and we have to get a lot better.
Brase and Beverly are easy to imagine being replaced.
Jackson will sting, love him, but I am confident we have at least him in Shayok and probably likely much more with the recruits and overall maturation of the roster around them.
We will be good and likely much better.
Where is the trust there will be incremental progress from juniors who then become seniors or, maybe most importantly, freshmen becoming sophomores?
Wiggi || Jackson || NWB || Talley || Young
...one year, might not seem much different than...
Wiggi || Shayok || NWB || Talley || Young
...the next, but consider how much better the four returning starters could get over the course of next year and then coming back together the season afterwards.
Add in after that Lewis and Lard will be a year older, making the sophomore leap after likely significant bench roles next season, and the recruiting class we are bringing in, with Griffin, THT, and Harris (of those we eventually land in the end of it) definitely ready to contribute on some level as freshmen, and we have to get a lot better.
Brase and Beverly are easy to imagine being replaced.
Jackson will sting, love him, but I am confident we have at least him in Shayok and probably likely much more with the recruits and overall maturation of the roster around them.
We will be good and likely much better.
One of these is not like the others....
Yeah there is support because they have both played for Power 5 teams.
Yeah, he is showing the side-effects of too much Kool-aid if he thinks Shayok and Jacobson haven't "shown" more than DJ and Brase. Offseason optimism at its best. We'll need the DJ and Brase combo to be as productive, if not more, than then numbers Shayok and Jacobson put up, so it's a mere formality that they haven't actually yet done so.
An aside...watching Jacobson I can't help but feel even more strongly that he would have filled a need the past two years, and therefore would have made an impact.
Lol come back and talk when we get an All American, top 5 draft pick power forward and an all American point guard. And if you're going to try and prove a point, the least you could do is get the right team in your picture.
Yeah, it is the wrong team. But the point stands, that team finished 15-15 the year before, Fizer was far, far from a top 5 draft pick at that point and no one knew we had an all american point guard coming in. ISU was picked dead last by one publication in 99-00 for Pete's sake. It has happened before, it can happen again.
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He's wrong on many fronts.
1.) If we miss this year we certainly can still be expected to improve enough next year due to returning likely four starters and two key backups, adding two guys coming off redshirts that are more proven than anything we have right now, plus what should be a good class.
2.) There doesn't need to be a huge difference in rosters to go from missing the tournament to making the tournament. I don't think I've read anyone predicting missing this year followed by the Elite Eight. Anyone predicting that we could make such a run probably feels good about making it this year.
Not saying it can't happen again... Just super unlikely. Fizer had been all big 12 both years in the league up to that point.
That 2000 squad shouldn't be the standard for next year though. Frankly, if you give me a 9-9 or better B12 record, I would be ecstatic.
I disagree. I didn't click the "Disagree" button because I want everyone to know I disagree.
With the bottom half of the B12 as strong as it’s been I really don’t think there is much difference between missing the tourney and making the S16.
This. And I WILL say deep run next year and NIT this year. Shayock is probably the best player on the team right now. Wigginton may be better eventually, but he needs time to develop his game (which he'll get this year).
This year, the leading scorer will probably be Jackson, who was a backup last year. Babb was inconsistent, Young was a garbage man. Then you have some transfers and some green FR. Next year, you get a year of experience on Wigginton, Lewis, Lard. Babb and Young have experience in expanded roles. You add a tough interior player in Jacobson and an elite wing in Shayock plus 4 FR that are all going to be top 150 guys. That is a roster that can make a run.
Finally got to catch it on Cyclones TV and no idea at all how you could draw any conclusions whatsoever from that. I can't remember many sequences where all ten players were on one end before a shot was put up.
