So this can be summed up with, solid results taking over what was here already, but gotten worse the farther removed from the start. Damn. Yes I realize losing players to the draft early has really hurt, but that does not change the fact things have trended downward every year since the start.
Stats under Prohm
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Certainly not getting it done in conference play.
12-6, 9-9, and 8-9 isn't terrible when considering how good the conference was during those years. The two years we've had bad conference records are the two years we were also a bad team (This year, 17-18 season.)
I'm sure there's some sort of analytics that says the B12 was good last year, but I didn't think it was so good that the talent available at ISU couldn't do better.
Literally the only games I thought we for sure should've won was against TCU and @ WVU. The other home losses were against very solid teams, two of which shared the Big 12 Title, and one of those made the National Title. We beat both of those teams on the road too.
16-31 conference record since Fred's guys left... ouch
Per KenPom it has been the #1 conference every year Prohm has been here. Guessing that streak ends this year.
We should not lose that often at Hilton. I don’t care how good the opponent is.
What's our record against Southwestern Athletic Conference Opponents?
I think the only thing quantitatively different is fred's transfer players were a higher quality. That market has changed a lot since Fred's first couple years and I am unsure he could replicate it.
Her are some stats under prohm.
Our 5th year senior Jacobson is shooting his worst 2 pt percentage and his worst 3 pt percentage of his entire career in conference play. He is also currently averaging his least points per game on conference play. As a freshman at Nebraska he shot better percentages and scored more points than he does as a 5th year senior.
Another 5th year senior, Nixon, is also shooting his worst overall percentage in conference play. His 2 pt percentage is actually a career high, but his 3 pt percentage is a staggering 0.171 which is waaaay worse than his next worse season of 0.298.
These are 5th year seniors. This is our senior leadership under prohm. These players started 19 of 22 conference games, and they have regressed.
Our 5th year senior Jacobson is shooting his worst 2 pt percentage and his worst 3 pt percentage of his entire career in conference play. He is also currently averaging his least points per game on conference play. As a freshman at Nebraska he shot better percentages and scored more points than he does as a 5th year senior.
Another 5th year senior, Nixon, is also shooting his worst overall percentage in conference play. His 2 pt percentage is actually a career high, but his 3 pt percentage is a staggering 0.171 which is waaaay worse than his next worse season of 0.298.
These are 5th year seniors. This is our senior leadership under prohm. These players started 19 of 22 conference games, and they have regressed.
Prohm is the only ISU coach in Ken Pom era to finish in the top 50 of Deff. twice and he has two of the top 5 seasons. No coach finished with a top 50 D eff season since Wayne Morgan's 05/05 team.
He has the top 2 offensive seasons in the Ken Pom era and 3 of the top 5.
He has the top two season of offense and defense combined when he finished 11th and 42nd one year and 9th and 47th another.
He has the top 2 offensive seasons in the Ken Pom era and 3 of the top 5.
He has the top two season of offense and defense combined when he finished 11th and 42nd one year and 9th and 47th another.
I agree. And, actually, talent-wise, I contend that ISU had THE MOST talent of any team in the Big 12. To be clear, I really like Coach Prohm & have admired a LOT of what he has done. However, last year demonstrated some managerial problems (both in-game strategy as well as handling the roster). Then, these problems were compounded by Lard's inability to realize his potential. I honestly think that Prohm DID his best to integrate Lard & gave him MANY chances to succeed at ISU - it was just something that didn't work out, so I don't fault the coaches.
However, the lack of "cohesiveness" of that team & their inability to close out games is what really frustrated me. Perhaps no coach could have gotten those players to gel - but I suspect that THAT is NOT the case. CSP was NOT able to get these EXTREMELY talented guys to play together consistently (with maybe the exception of the conference tourney) & that left many of us with a bitter taste in our mouths when the season ended.
I still think the TO's/execution is bad on this team. What I meant by TH not making a difference is I think we still would have lost. We've seen this with this team several times this year. Play close the first half then struggle the second half. CW talks about it often on the radio.
I think we're in an era where being a college coach is a tough spot pretty consistently.
To me next year will be the bellweather year. Good class coming in with a returning core that should help continue growth. Without significant progress next year, the seat will be very warm.
