Star Wars Expanded Universe Thread
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That is SO stupid. These are not the same audiences.
SOLO was ****** because they didn't market it... at all. Casual fans pretty much had no idea it existed until they saw it at the theater. It is actually a very good movie and I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.
I've seen more promotional material for Amy Schumer's "I Feel Pretty" than I did for Solo. And that's not something I am searching for willingly. That's an epic mistake.
I find that much less likely than they're trying to get the movies released in May, as they always had been
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I feel like it's on par with how they royally screwed up the Prequels, specifically Episode 1. They took the fandom of the greatest sci fi trilogy in history and gave it a kids movie with trade agreements and a political blockade included for extra fun.
For the next 20 years we will be talking about how we would fix Episode 8 to make it a good movie just like we talk about how we could redo the Prequel Trilogy to make it good.
Episode 7 was good. I enjoyed it and I think some people are too critical of if for not being original enough. It reintroduced the universe well and has good characters with redeeming qualities. Episode 8 didn't really accomplish much except getting rid of Luke Skywalker, introducing characters we don't really like, and wasting the time of characters we DO like.
Hopefully they learn their lesson and redeem themselves with Episode 9.
I'll be honest with you - I thought Luke's battle in TLJ was more impressive and interesting than yet another light saber battle. We've seen a ton of those in the 7 main movies previously released, it was nice to have a change of pace. It was something we hadn't seen before and it reflected a great mastery of the force. It had humor and showed the Luke really is a total badass.
I'm going to point out again that grumpy hermit Luke who has decided to leave the universe behind is a theme from multiple EU novels. I like it, it's a part of his character and it fits totally with what his EU self would have done if he had found himself in a similar situation. You may have disliked (or never read) those novels, but they exist.
There are other issues and plot holes within TLJ, but Luke's characterization was spot on, imo.
All this stuff just makes me glad I stopped being a hardcore Star Wars fan some time in the early 2000's. It's much easier to appreciate things for what they are without all these expectations.
What is their plan for Princess-General Leia? The actress died, bless her soul. Are they going to recast her role? That feels like a mistake. Are they going CGI her into the next episode? That... also feels like a mistake.
They had the perfect opportunity to give her a graceful and epic farewell, and they screwed it up. I don't even have a problem with the Force-walk like some people do. It was established in other material that she is strong with the Force. This seems consistent.
But as far as Ep.9 goes, it's going to take a herculean effort from their CGI team, and a goddamn EPIC ending to her story, to get me to enjoy watching pixels that resemble Carrie Fisher.
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If that is their plan, its a stupid one. Times have changed and the summer blockbuster time period only gets more and more crowded. Originally changing things to December was a genius idea as there is pretty much no competition for months, you've got multiple holiday weekends to rack up the dollars, it syncs up perfect with toy sales for Christmas, and Star Wars has almost become synonymous with the Christmas time period. Essentially December guarantees Star Wars being in the #1 spot for weeks on end, whereas during the summer, you've only got maybe a couple weekends to make all your money.
In the end, I hate it when people talk about having Star Wars in May due to history. I just don't really care what they did in the past as times have changed, marketing has changed, blockbuster time periods have changed, audience viewing habits have changed, theaters have changed. It was genius for them to take a chance on December and it paid off. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
TLJ was originally announced as coming out in May 2017, so we'll see.
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I disagree. I think in 20 years we’ll look back on it fondly. I think people got a major Luke boner after TFA and when he wasn’t what they wanted him to be they were pissed.
TLJ is the best Star Wars since the originals IMO.
I forgot how much that ticked me off. Just let her character die gracefully. I remember when I watched Episode 8 that I thought to myself, "Ok, this makes sense. She's gone but it had to happen." Then WTF?!?!
My only thought is that they didn't want to write out Leia and Luke in the same movie, and if they had let her die when it made sense it would have messed up their planned ending with Luke, which wasn't great either.
Now they will have to have some off screen death. If they try to CGI her in for the whole, or even part of the next, movie I think people will riot. It was ok for small portions of Tarkin and one shot of young Leia in Rogue One, but if they try that crap for Episode 9, they will lose even more fans.
That's an optimistic take.
I don't know. I don't think it's too often that people do a complete 180 on what they think of a movie.
I personally don't think it was terrible, but I think they could have done MUCH better, and the parts I don't like, probably aren't going to grow on me too much.
It would have been a disgrace to kill her off in the cockpit after Carrie had already completed what ends up being her final performance.
I think the best they can do is write her off in the opening crawl, saying she'd been killed in some First Order attack. Make the opening scene some equivalent of Tantive IV (her corvette in A New Hope) coming across the screen with her funeral happening on board.
TLJ definitely grew a bit more on me after a second watch at home. However, I still have major enough qualms with its entire premise as well as some major parts of it that I know I'll never look at it too terribly fondly.
It's going to be hard to make it work without some kind of footage of her. Just saying
LEIA HAS DIED
in the opening crawl is going to get groans in the first minute of the movie.
I agree. I like the movie. I like anything Star Wars really, excluding the Holiday Special (except for laughing at how awful it is).
It's not like people now look back at Episode 1 and think it's a great movie unless they were kids who liked it when it came out. I still watch the Prequels and enjoy parts of them, but they were still royally effed up.
No, the hyperdrive wasn't working. They could have spent weeks or months traveling to get to Bespin.
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I think they should have let Leia go in episode 8 when she was vented into space. She dies there, purple hair lady then moves into Leias roles (supposedly, Leia was going to have a bigger role in episode 9, so having purple hair lady be the Leia figure keeps those plans in episode 9 open). Then, you keep Luke alive. Essentially, instead of having him disappear in the sunset, he just has a moment of accomplishment and a sense of wanting to get back into the fight. Start the ending credits. Then you have an end credit scene with luke trying to lift his X-wing from the water (maybe fails the first time as a joke) and gets it on to the ground; end movie. Then in episode 9, he with the other resistance members.
I think all of this could have been done without any major rewrites or reshoots of the movie.
That could have worked out pretty well. I actually liked when Holdo tore through the First Order ship. That deafening silence was one of the best parts of the movie. Have Leia do that instead of Holdo and she goes out in style.
I agree with the ship part, however, I don't think Leia does it. My post was a response to Carrie Fisher's death. If Carrie Fisher were still around, I don't think we would be having a discussion on how to deal with her character in the movie. My changes to the movie would only apply due to Carrie Fisher's death.
I think you maybe get another character to do it, like Ackbar. Just have to say he was somewhere else on the ship when the bridge exploded or something.
