Standing for the Whole Game

[IAm4State]

What started as a great student effort to support their team has gone too far. However, it now seems that people all over the stadium are standing through the whole game. And they look at folks who don't as if we aren't supporting the team.

Well, my feet hurt when I stand for long periods of time. Further, I actually like it when something like a key third down brings the fans to their feet. It was our football sense of how to act as a crowd in these situations to help our team that previously distinguished us as a well-educated fanbase.

Maybe we should sell "standing" tickets and "seats."

Man, do I sound old, but my feet hurt!

I fully support you. I pay for "seats" not standing room only. Don't get me wrong I stand for key plays and all the big moments, but if I had the choice between standing and watching it live sitting in a Lazy-boy on the 45 yd-line, 30 rows up...screw the rest of you, I'M SITTING!

 

[Jnecker4cy]

I am 37 years old, do not consider myself childish, and I stand for almost all the game as does most of my section which is section 21. It has been that way since I have had tickets since 2000. To be honest this is how I like to watch games, and it is easier to be louder and into the games more if you are doing it from the beginning. Now does that mean someone who sits is less of a fan, no, but they are most likely not as loud and most likely are not as loud as often as they need to be. Now my ticket does not mention that you must sit down, or that you must stand up, or that only students can stand for the whole game. If it did this discussion would be over, and as it is it is really stupid. Sit, stand, cheer don't cheer, just don't get mad at the guy next to you if he is not doing what you like. Each has paid there way to go to the games, each can watch them as they want to watch them. Section 21 has a lot of fans in my age catagory, but has fans of all ages, this section ahs remained pretty much the same for years, so obviously these people do not mind standing. Request new seats next year if you either want to stand more or sit more, but stop ******** about it, our Cyclones need our energy as fans to be spent on cheering and being into the game, not being mad and yelling at someone for sitting and standing. Can we all just agree to be polite and cheer on the clones whether that is on your butt or on your feet.............

 

[CLONEing around]

Man—every man—is an end in himself, not the means to the ends of others. He must exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself.

I don't think you understand this part of the quote.

 

[BryceC]

I don't really have an opinion either way, because I like standing and I like sitting. However my wife is 5'0" and if everybody stands the whole game it's really hard for her to see. It's just a bummer for her.

Also, the general lack of courtesy among football fans is unlike any other American sport IMO. I think the combo of booze and the way football pumps people up adds to it.

And for all the tough guys saying, "if you don't like standing the whole game, say home" and also, "the guys who don't stand the whole game are the reason we'll be in the MWC" are kind of contradicting themselves. I'm sure the MWC would love a half empty stadium of people standing.

 

[Stormin]

Is this necessary? When did i personally attack someone? Also, i didnt say i wont sit down, i said i won't be happy about it. And i've sat in reserved seating all the time (with hillside tickets) and have been asked to move once. I have zero problem with that.

PS. if i'm the only one standing in a section then i'll sit down, i'm not an ***, but it still frustrates me. Now if it's a big play and people don't want to stand, that's too damn bad, ill take all the criticism they can dish out in that situation (this has happened at the Army game last year).

So you have hillside tickets and go sit in a reserved section. And in that Reserved section you want to stand the whole game????

To be frank, you have NO RIGHT to stand in those Reserved Sections and obstruct the Paying Customer's view. The HILLSIDE SECTION is another matter.

And I don't think that most people have a problem with people for standing for key plays within part of the game. That IS a part of the experience. But to stand for the majority of the game is a bit much.

 

[Stormin]

The Chiefs fans stand most of the game. Arrowhead is considered to be the closest to college of any NFL venue. It is also the most intimidating. I noticed fans standing outside the students section and thougth it looked pretty awesome. Stay home if you frown on this.

According to the Rules of Conduct in Arrowhead Stadium, you are not to stand and obstruct people's views of the game. This link writes about it. I wouldn't be surprised if something existed for JTS as well.

As I have posted, I don't think anyone has a problem with people standing during key parts of the game. But to stand and obstruct someone's view the whole game is rude.

Fans are asked to treat Chiefs games like bowling matches - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Stormin]

I don't really have an opinion either way, because I like standing and I like sitting. However my wife is 5'0" and if everybody stands the whole game it's really hard for her to see. It's just a bummer for her.

Also, the general lack of courtesy among football fans is unlike any other American sport IMO. I think the combo of booze and the way football pumps people up adds to it.

And for all the tough guys saying, "if you don't like standing the whole game, say home" and also, "the guys who don't stand the whole game are the reason we'll be in the MWC" are kind of contradicting themselves. I'm sure the MWC would love a half empty stadium of people standing.

The MWC would prefer to have a FULL stadium sitting. :wink:

 

[ArathornClone]

According to the Rules of Conduct in Arrowhead Stadium, you are not to stand and obstruct people's views of the game. This link writes about it. I wouldn't be surprised if something existed for JTS as well.

As I have posted, I don't think anyone has a problem with people standing during key parts of the game. But to stand and obstruct someone's view the whole game is rude.

Fans are asked to treat Chiefs games like bowling matches - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

This. Having experience in crowd control (I worked 5 years security @ the grandstand for the Iowa State Fair,) you are essentially told to make decisions regarding what the majority of the section is doing. If majority of people in the section are standing and someone comes to security (par mar in our case) to complain - they should do nothing but let that person know that most others around them are standing and they just need to stand or move. Vice versa - if a section is mostly sitting and someone stands and refuses to sit - when someone complains that person will be asked to sit down. Typically - the stander will get belligerent and eventually be told to sit or be escorted out of the stadium. This is the way it works because that security persons job is to prevent a confrontation that turns ugly. So, pay attention and yield to those around you and the situation. If not, I guarantee you if you ignore folks and they complain - you will lose and spend the rest of the game outside the gates.

 

[KneeGusto]

A lot of the folks who are so vehement about not being part of a fanbase, or who have a common goal who wish to impose their will on others won't be around for the long haul anyway. They won't be donors in the Gold Club telling their fellow fans to screw off. They won't keep buying season tickets when the slightest shift in their family environment or economic status changes.

When their first child is on the way, they will stand for the entire 9 months and then realize they cannot afford to go to games. Problem solved. Time heals all (except knees, hips, ankles, and other assorted joints of donors who still go to ISU Football Games.)

It's funny to watch those who feel a sense of entitlement to destroy other people's game day experience. They think week to week. Our section has had their season tickets for a long time and we work with each other to help each other get along for years and years.

Opponents are 3rd and 8 - stand up straight
ISU has a big play - on your butt you cannot stay
1st and 10 on offense - give your butt a chance

Yeah - a stupid attempt at rhyme and humor. But if you work with your neighbors you can usually come to a happy medium. Then you find yourself as a group - or an entire section cheering as one at appropriate times while not pessing a lot of people off.

 

[ahaselhu]

I sit on my butt all day at work. I prefer to stand at FB games and I'm 40yrs old.

Ridiculous that folks complain about how others express enthusiasm for ISU.

Some of our fanbase is pathetic sometimes.

I don't think it is ridiculous to complain about paying for a ticket and then not being able to watch a game because you aren't able to stand for the whole game. For one, I went to the game with my wife's uncle, who has a bad back. There is no way he could possible stand for the whole game.

I don't buy it at all that you can't be just as vocal, supportive, and in the game sitting down on occasion as you are when you stand for the whole game.

In the end, all you'll be doing is driving people away from the games. Why do they want to pay for a ticket to watch your back the whole game? I don't think it is too much to ask to be considerate of the people around you so that everyone can have a good game experience.

 

[Rural]

You can go to any tavern in the state and strike up a conversation about why the dump, Carver Hawkeye Arena is quieter than the library.

Invariably, the first reply is something like, "They need to let us true fans in there".

A lot of the "I stand the whole game" replies in this thread reflect that false "I'm a true fan" sense of entitlement.

Just sayin'

 

[cygrads]

I have not read the whole thread but this is the reason I got seats in the last row of a section so I can stand the whole game and not block someones view. You have to be considerate of other peoples line of sight. Maybe try to work together and if someone is going to stand all game ask them to trade seats so the stander can stand all game and the sitter can still see - I know this won't work in most cases but the point is work together and find a way.

 

[cygrads]

I also stand and pace for any ISU game that is on TV - I'm just nervous that way.

 

[Gorm]

In the section I was in people stood up and sat down at appropriate times. I always feel like standing up during big defensive and offensive plays, I can cheer louder when I stand up. :yes:

 

[CYVADER]

How were you in team sports?

our wrestling TEAM got 3rd in state, and two other times were top 8. i was varsity for those 3 years. i'd say i did pretty well.

 

[CYVADER]

Can't remember if it was Mother Teresa or Jesus that said that.

actually it was Ayn Rand

 

[Rural]

The movie ticket assumes that you're not going to be completely disrespectful of the others around you. (and boy, are they wrong at times).

 

[MartyFine]

What started as a great student effort to support their team has gone too far. However, it now seems that people all over the stadium are standing through the whole game. And they look at folks who don't as if we aren't supporting the team.

Well, my feet hurt when I stand for long periods of time. Further, I actually like it when something like a key third down brings the fans to their feet. It was our football sense of how to act as a crowd in these situations to help our team that previously distinguished us as a well-educated fanbase.

Maybe we should sell "standing" tickets and "seats."

Man, do I sound old, but my feet hurt!

They stand for the entire game at Soccer games in Europe. You're telling me we aren't tough enough to stand like those Euros? We're Americans for cryin' out loud. We should be doing jumping jacks for 3 hours...

 

[Kyle]

Exactly.

My other favorite thing in this thread is how somehow those who stand the entire game are equated with being the loudest. Thats not true. Many of the sitting sections will be just as loud, and many of those standing in the 'standing sections' are only standing because they have to to have any chance of seeing the game (or are starting the wave or having a towel fight instead of watching the game at all). Standing does not all of a sudden make a crowd louder, though it may make it quieter as less people come to the game because they cant see whats going on because of the people standing in front of them.

A thought, and im no stadium engineer, but id bet sight lines are designed from the sitting perspective, otherwise we'd have more vertical difference in between rows to accomodate seeing better while standing. In this case, this is why sitting is the 'default' position, and if you're blocking someone's view the whole game *you* are the one in the wrong.

The bolded statement is false.

How is that? Just because you stand doesnt mean youre loud. A lot of those standing the whole game are doing just that. Theyre no louder than the others that will be jumping up for big plays etc. Are there those in the predominantly sitting sections that dont stand and cheer at all? Yes. Are there those in the 'standing sections' that are quiet too? Absolutely.

I will bet you my house that the fans who stand the whole game are louder on average than those that sit. There are individual exceptions of course, but, on average, it seems indisputable that the standing fans are louder.

 

[Cycsk]

My simple solution was: stand and make noise when we're on defense, sit when we're on offense.

On a side note, people need to learn when to cheer. Too many times did the people around me cheer and make noise on first and second down, then get quiet on third. Or even worse, made noise and cheered when we're on offense.

This is the best comment I've read on this thread. It acknowledges that some people prefer to stand and some prefer to sit, but organizes it in a way that is likely to help our team and challenges us to be truly intelligent fans who know how cheering relates to our team's performance. The big idea is what is best fot the team!

In years past, our basketball fans were renowned for being some of the "smartest" fans because they knew how to relate their cheering to the dynamics of the game. That is Hilton Magic.