Not a rumor. Pollard told a group of us on the tailgate tour last summer that is indeed the plan.
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Not a rumor. Pollard told a group of us on the tailgate tour last summer that is indeed the plan.
You are saying he "let Cael go," but do we really know what it would have taken to keep Cael around? You might actually have some knowledge of the situation, which I don't, but I doubt he put up no fight to try and keep him.
I have seen a few people mention Cody's name. Why would he be such a good choice? I'm not saying he wouldn't, but I'm just not sure why he's been mentioned multiple times. I'm just picturing a recruit trying to choose between the undefeated, four time national champion, or his much less accomplished brother.
Can you expand on that a little bit? Are you saying that Pollard couldn't match the offer PSU made to Cael, or did Pollard just basically tell Cael to pound sand when he learned that Cael was flirting with PSU?
What I heard and this is coming from the president of the cyclone wrestling club was that Pollard didnt attempt very hard to keep Cael. She also said that all Cael wanted was a call saying we want you here Cael. So me personall, I dont believe Cael left for the money. I also find it hard to believe that Cael would want to leave his alumni school without being pushed out a little. But im not here to start something just what I have heard from what I call a reliable source.
Pollard matched what PSU offered. I don't know if he gave special attention or not. We needed better facilities and the new TV deal will help the wrestling team as much as the football team
Thats why I dont believe money was as much of the issue, but think Cael just wanted a call saying he wanted him as "our guy".
I don't quite understand this. Didn't his contract at the time and that we matched PSU's money(supposedly) indicate that he was "our guy"? Its not like there were rumors that he was going to get fired. Why would he believe that he wasn't "our guy"?
I think it is known by quite a few people that Cael and Pollard didnt have best relationship. I think Cael wanted to feel like he was wanted. I know he offered but I dont think he.felt 100% backed by pollard. And not trying to start anything just going off what I was told and what I believe happened provided the info I was told.
Yeah this doesn't make sense. At one point he was the highest paid wrestling coach in the nation. Then PSU comes calling and we offer to match PSU's offer, that doesn't sound like we wanted him gone. I would take that as, "they want me". I'm sorry, but this was either about pay, facilities or recruiting and I think it was about the last two. That was something that ISU wasn't able to do anything about.
I can understand if Pollard and Sanderson didn't have the best relationship, sometimes people just rub each other the wrong way and Pollard is a business man. Sanderson sounds like he might be a little overly sensitive. I personally don't see how he could not feel like we wanted him though. Like I said, he was the highest paid coach and we offered to match PSU's offer. Further, we forced the coach before Sanderson into retirement to make room for Sanderson.
Scott, you kinda blew your cred with your recent postings - or should I call them rants. Besides, what's done is done. Whenever anyone leaves a job for another, you can tell their true quality by how they perform in the new job. Some tank, others excel. Cael has done a great job at Penn State, and as a loyal and avid Cyclone wrestling fan, I regret his decision but wish him well. Plus, he always seems like a class act on the mat, and I appreciate that - for the sport overall.
So let's drop the Cael did this or did that - he did nothing that any of us would have done in the same situation. This is D1 - and coaches are hired to win. That's why we wanted him here - he is a winner.
KJ is not winning. And the prospect for the future is not very good at all. We see all kinds of freshmen and sophomores doing well in St. Loius - and none of them are wearing our singlet. What else do we need to know. Something needs to change, and whatever the rumors are, if KJ has not taken serious action to correct coaching, recruiting (quality and depth) and conditioning issues, then I am not sure he deserves to stay here.
We have a decent recruiting class coming in. I am excited about that. But Penn State, Iowa, Okie State and Cornell have not been standing still either - we have "held our own" at best.
If you want to talk about an underfunded sport, look no further than Volleyball and see what CJ is doing. WOW. Strong recruiting, great coaching and she put together a spring schedule that tells her team - and her fans - that she wants to play on the national stage. Should we not expect as much from wrestling?
It was said earlier in this string that we should be aiming for conference and national titles - and we are a very, very long way away from that.
So let's drop the Cael did this or did that - he did nothing that any of us would have done in the same situation. This is D1 - and coaches are hired to win. That's why we wanted him here - he is a winner.
KJ is not winning. And the prospect for the future is not very good at all. We see all kinds of freshmen and sophomores doing well in St. Loius - and none of them are wearing our singlet. What else do we need to know. Something needs to change, and whatever the rumors are, if KJ has not taken serious action to correct coaching, recruiting (quality and depth) and conditioning issues, then I am not sure he deserves to stay here.
We have a decent recruiting class coming in. I am excited about that. But Penn State, Iowa, Okie State and Cornell have not been standing still either - we have "held our own" at best.
If you want to talk about an underfunded sport, look no further than Volleyball and see what CJ is doing. WOW. Strong recruiting, great coaching and she put together a spring schedule that tells her team - and her fans - that she wants to play on the national stage. Should we not expect as much from wrestling?
It was said earlier in this string that we should be aiming for conference and national titles - and we are a very, very long way away from that.
We don't have Iowa, Minnesota and Okie State's deep pockets. PSU was willing to spend those kind of resources and we were not. That's what it boiled down to. Cael wasn't sophisticated enough to comprehend that. He didn't get it and he felt like he needed those pockets to succeed.
Shhhhh...such reality is not tolerated around here. You'll be branded an Iowa fan like me before you know it.
CycloneErik
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If we don't have those resources, should we really expect what you're demanding? Is that realistic anymore?
Time to drop wrestling . . we are no longer competitive and will never be able to compete with those teams mentioned. Spend our money on baseball where we can compete with other Big XII teams.
I think you left off
Really, you claim we are not competitive with wrestling and your choice is to replace it with baseball? We have never been competitive in baseball and never will. Wrestling we have a history in at least, what 7 NCAA team titles? Even this year, we might not be able to complete against the top 10 but we are still one of the better programs in the nation. At baseball wouldn't even be one of the better teams in the Big 12.
Success is still going to happen. It just will not be easy and automatic like a lot of people seem to believe.
