Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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If ISU is out, I'm out. There are millions of alums who can wake up and suddenly their school is out, or every school in their state/region is out. That's some leverage.

There's absolutely no way Sankey and your commissioner's dream is going to be long term more popular than the previous setup where we had about 70 major conference teams and 130 FBS teams.
Don't confuse more popular with more profitable.

Everyone is hating on Sankey and Pettiti (and rightfully so), but remember it's ESPN/Fox/et al that are writing the checks and driving the action. Sankey and Pettiti are just collaborating minions.
 
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The grass roots of a B12/ACC alliance are being formed by the Rudy/Smash & CST initiatives given B12 and ACC membership on those initiatives. While immediate PE cash infusion is necessary for B12/ACC schools in order to adequately compete with SEC/B10 in a House Settlement environment, the bigger issue that Rudy/CST are trying to address is the obvious attempt by the SEC/B10 to financially relegate and destroy the B12/ACC (JP's quote in the Athletic was they are attempting to swallow up the B12 and ACC).

For now, Presidents from the B12 and ACC are actively communicating with SEC/B10 Presidents on what Sankey/Petitti are trying to pull and they making progress given that Presidents from the SEC and B10 each conference signed a document acknowledging the threat of the Sankey/Petitti initiatives but they removed those signatures, presumably under threats from Sankey/Petitti. And it's no secret that ESPN and Fox have also been utilizing threats to prevent SEC/B10 Presidents/ADs from meeting with the Rudy and CST folks.

There is enough PR going on now from both sides (the fact that SEC/B10 engaged collusion lawyers at their recent meetings was laughable) that this ends up with probable Fed intervention in the next couple of years. As JP recently pointed out, ORSt and Wazzu destruction wasn't enough to move the intervention needle, destruction of 20-30 more ADs should move it for some type of intervention or equitable settlement prior to it.

If ESPN doesn't pick up the 2027 ACC option by the FEB 2025 notification deadline, the resulting chaos will probably trigger intervention and/or settlement sooner than later. If ESPN does pick the option, looking at 2030 to get something figured out before most of the current TV contracts expire.
It's a good thing my emotional investment in Iowa football and college football in general has been descending for the past several years. Very likely KF fatigue. I still enjoy college football and usually want Iowa to win, but it's hardly going to dictate my mood, make my day, ruin my day, etc., which is how it used to be.
 

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Yep he has filled a vacuum, Juwan Howard went to a final 4 and was fired a couple years later. Day is a horrible football coach but OSU has a lot of success just not the kind that matters. Similar to painter. He also has flammed out of many tournaments as a high seed.

Most of his accomplishments come from having a single player that is capable of dominating in college but isn’t good enough to go pro. Having a kaiju that is somehow never in foul trouble in a conference devoid of high skill big men gives you a massive advantage.

But if you think he’s good enjoy hanging on that island
Another way to think about it is, how many coaches in the world could take over the Purdue program tomorrow and get them to the title game? It’s obviously unknowable but as far as I’m aware nobody else in history has ever done it besides Painter so I’m not sure it’s a super long list. They could replace him with the hopes of someone else getting them to 2 title games but it would be a risky move.

Anyway, I’m just glad they don’t have message boards where people judge my work performance so harshly. But I guess if I got paid millions I wouldn’t complain too much
 
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Don't confuse more popular with more profitable.

Everyone is hating on Sankey and Pettiti (and rightfully so), but remember it's ESPN/Fox/et al that are writing the checks and driving the action. Sankey and Pettiti are just collaborating minions.
That’s fine, this isn’t the NFL. College football is a regional sport. You follow players and coaches because they are from your neighborhood. I have spoken to several fans of ISU football, none of them have watched a minute of football outside the Big 12 footprint.
 

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That’s fine, this isn’t the NFL. College football is a regional sport. You follow players and coaches because they are from your neighborhood. I have spoken to several fans of ISU football, none of them have watched a minute of football outside the Big 12 footprint.
They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.
 

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That’s fine, this isn’t the NFL. College football is a regional sport. You follow players and coaches because they are from your neighborhood. I have spoken to several fans of ISU football, none of them have watched a minute of football outside the Big 12 footprint.
That’s good for them but a handful of those games are getting 5-10 million plus every weekend. So not sure it’s doing anything
 

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They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.
I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing It, Bob.
 

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That’s good for them but a handful of those games are getting 5-10 million plus every weekend. So not sure it’s doing anything
5 games with 5-10M viewers is worth more than 40 games with 1M or less. And they can get those 5 games out of the P2 EVERY WEEK. The ACC, Big12, G5... yeah they need inventory, but you don't pay big bucks for it.
That's the problem.
 

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They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.
This is where I'm at. There's entirely too much great football out there to be watched across the country and I'm not going to limit my own enjoyment of the sport to try and send some sort of message that has 0% chance of coming across anyway. Not that I contribute to viewership numbers, but still.

Just look at the amazing games 2 weeks ago. I couldn't imagine not watching Minny beat USC, Bama go down to Vandy , UT losing to Arky, or Cal blowing it against Miami. Not to mention the weekly Ashton Jeanty experience.
 

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They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.
Interesting comment. Do you watch due to 'good' football, or more succinctly to root 'against' someone? I'm not sure many on this board know what 'good' football is. Sure, we can see missed assignments, bad snaps, penalties as 'bad' football. But, do we see gap technique, coverages, footwork, handword, etc? I'll watch an ISU game a few times to see things like that. But, the original viewing is never about 'good' football. IMO, that's a mindset pounded into us by the media.

For my part, I didn't watch a second of tOSU/OR game, 20 seconds of the UT/OU game (too lopsided), and admittedly 15-20 minutes of the Vandy game. BUT, that was only cause I was praying hard as heck to see Alabama lose.
 
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Interesting comment. Do you watch due to 'good' football, or more succinctly to root 'against' someone? I'm not sure many on this board know what 'good' football is. Sure, we can see missed assignments, bad snaps, penalties as 'bad' football. But, do we see gap technique, coverages, footwork, handword, etc? I'll watch an ISU game a few times to see things like that. But, the original viewing is never about 'good' football. IMO, that's a mindset pounded into us by the media.

For my part, I didn't watch a second of tOSU/OR game, 20 seconds of the UT/OU game (too lopsided), and admittedly 15-20 minutes of the Vandy game. BUT, that was only cause I was praying hard as heck to see Alabama lose.
What I meant by "good football" was mostly "good games." I don't really care who it is, if I flip to a game and it's 23-21 in the 4th and the trailing team has the ball, I'm keeping it there and watching. I'll also watch "good football" when it's a game that maybe isn't as close but has great players who I'm aware of and just want to see how they play.
 

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This is where I'm at. There's entirely too much great football out there to be watched across the country and I'm not going to limit my own enjoyment of the sport to try and send some sort of message that has 0% chance of coming across anyway. Not that I contribute to viewership numbers, but still.

Just look at the amazing games 2 weeks ago. I couldn't imagine not watching Minny beat USC, Bama go down to Vandy , UT losing to Arky, or Cal blowing it against Miami. Not to mention the weekly Ashton Jeanty experience.
This is where I am at for the most part. Now if the situation is changed where the B1G and SEC lock out ISU and the rest I'd pretty much never watch B1G and SEC.
 

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Don't confuse more popular with more profitable.

Everyone is hating on Sankey and Pettiti (and rightfully so), but remember it's ESPN/Fox/et al that are writing the checks and driving the action. Sankey and Pettiti are just collaborating minions.
Agreed. You can bet that any venture by the power 2 will have the backing of the big broadcasters, and be based on thorough market research on expected viewership. I guarantee they'll have models where they factor in multiple different potential viewership outcomes, including ones where casual fans stop watching. Of course there's always a chance that it will fail, but I guarantee that any move is significantly hedged.
 
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They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.

I didnt watch those games either. I typically only watch ISU or another Big 12 game. If I see another game from another league it’s because it’s on at a bar or restaurant Im at. That goes for football and basketball, and it’s even more pronounced in basketball since the Big 12 is the best basketball league.

Bowl games and NCAA tourney games are a different story. Ill watch any and all of those
 
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My suspicion is that TV knows locking out the Big 12/ACC/G5 will hurt Big 10/SEC ratings. Those fanbases will absolutely watch less of those games if they have no relevance to their teams. They’ll still do good enough to make money of course, but it will absolutely be less because right now they’re getting those eyeballs and don’t have to share a dime with those schools.

However, the threat of getting locked out will be enough to get acquiescence to the Big 10/SEC demands. So the needle they’re likely trying to thread is maximizing their advantages without blowing it all up.
 
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They didn't watch Oregon v. tOSU? Or any of the Bama v. Vandy game? Or UT v. OU?

That seems weird. Great matchups are great matchups, great games are great games, whether they're in your conference or not. Sounds like those guys are missing out on some good football.
I’m with others here. I didn’t watch any of the three games you listed and still watched great games. Besides, what was great about the red river shootout and the Alabama game? Texas scorched OU and Alabama played so bad, they lost. I’ll give you the Oregon tOSU game, but I had another game to watch that night, which was pretty good.

I also understand the larger point, that enough people watched that it doesn’t matter.
 
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Altimore gonna Altimore. Such a loser.
He really is the definition of a loser. His obsession over this subject when he’s clearly wrong and nothing’s changing no matter what he posts to the crème de la crème that is him still using a pic from like 20 years ago as his profile pic. That is the definition of a loser.
 
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I’m with others here. I didn’t watch any of the three games you listed and still watched great games. Besides, what was great about the red river shootout and the Alabama game? Texas scorched OU and Alabama played so bad, they lost. I’ll give you the Oregon tOSU game, but I had another game to watch that night, which was pretty good.

I also understand the larger point, that enough people watched that it doesn’t matter.
Major upsets in sports are amazing and vandy over Bama is about as big of an upset as you can get. Agree on red river though
 
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Major upsets in sports are amazing and vandy over Bama is about as big of an upset as you can get. Agree on red river though
I didn't tune into the Red River Shootout because it went about as everyone expected it to.

But, I want to respond here to @BooneCy: Vandy didn't win because Bama played poorly. Sure, this Tide team looks uncharacteristically soft (especially on defense), but Vanderbilt looked genuinely good and played great. You missed a gritty amazing performance, especially from Diego Pavia who is fantastic. And Ryan Williams is must-see TV by himself, even though he was on the losing side.