RAGBRAI Organizers Split from Register

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by cyowan, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. ISUAgronomist

    ISUAgronomist Well-Known Member

    Nov 5, 2009
    24,184
    1,898
    113
    Close Enough, IA
    Ratings:
    +4,367 / 109 / -5
    Without a competent staff it sure as hell isn't :)
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. CycloneErik

    CycloneErik Well-Known Member

    Jan 31, 2008
    87,610
    7,659
    113
    Grad Student
    Jamerica
    Ratings:
    +26,174 / 919 / -16
    Don't know. I'd assume they didn't lose that network of contacts, so someone is available.
    Probably didn't make this move without squaring that away.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. CyCloned

    CyCloned Well-Known Member

    Oct 18, 2006
    10,686
    745
    113
    Male
    Accountant
    Robins, Iowa
    Ratings:
    +4,184 / 245 / -1
    I am sure that this will be a major debate for our bike club. Several of the members are friends with the former director.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  4. MrPeske

    MrPeske Active Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    498
    58
    28
    Male
    CPA, payroll outsourcing
    downtown Des Moines
    Ratings:
    +125 / 8 / -0
    Team Peske' (beavers) 29 year RAGBRAI vet, lots of people flying off the handle. Craziness in the RAGBRAI world which I sort of live in (& is a pretty good fit with tailgating at football games & the Big XII tourney in KC). Today was certainly a big surprise and really a sad day for those of us who love RAGBRAI, where we spend a week without rules & our best friends.

    Think this is a good example of how a NYC pr firm doesnt know how we do things in Iowa and by the Register using them, they sort of broke the local newspaper bond here in Des Moines & across our state.

    I'll keep riding bikes, drinking beer & figure it out. I'm not sure the Register can figure it out. Also I heard that Gannett is getting bought & the new guys werent so sure about RAGBRAI. None of us have all of the facts so I'm not going to worry or get to worked up about this.

    Maybe we should do a background check on our President. Everything seems so controversial and in many ways terrible. Gotta keep the good vibes rolling and not get caught up in all of the negativity. Lets go get the Taco Texans!
     
  5. Acylum

    Acylum Well-Known Member
    SuperFanatic SuperFanatic T2

    Nov 18, 2006
    5,898
    759
    113
    Male
    Ratings:
    +4,839 / 154 / -1
    Seriously? LOL.
     
  6. MNCYWX

    MNCYWX Well-Known Member

    Feb 7, 2010
    1,983
    253
    83
    Male
    Meteorologist
    Med City, MN
    Ratings:
    +489 / 10 / -1
    Get ready for a big legal battle between RAGBRAI and Iowa's Ride in the coming months. That amount of staff walking away and starting their own? This isn't a ground up startup company trying to compete... this is what has been up to this point, proprietary ideas walking out the door to start their own. I'll be curious to see what, if any, contracts there were with the staff and what content or inner knowledge 'carries over' to the new ride...

    **************

    Secondly. What a cluster for the DMR. All they had to do was apologize.

    I've steered clear of this to this point since I am in the media. Background checks are good to perform in the correct instances. But what was done here was a reporter going to google and typing in Carson's twitter handle and likely some other derogatory verbiage to see if he posted something like that. Same for any social media the same way. It was deliberate, intentional and didn't have an ounce of good intent when the DMR reporter did it. Routine (for them) or not, it wasn't good journalistic practice.

    No doubt they also checked criminal records, that's pretty standard and something our reporters will do on someone or an organization that has negative press surrounding them. I can tell you that our reporters at my station don't go scouring social media accounts for posts from years ago on anyone pertaining to an unrelated, feel good story.

    So they found some lowly dirt from when he was a teenager. The next journalistic step should be to ask, "is it relevant to the story?" And the answer is clearly no. Does it further the story in any way. No. Can it do credible damage to your organization if you run it? What do you gain anything by publishing this information? If those answers aren't obvious than the content managers need to have their heads examined.

    IF there was some information dug up that showed there could be some fishy or misleading intentions by Carson pertaining to the donations, that's a completely different story. But a couple of tweets from a teenager who is still maturing is hardly that.

    This has been very fascinating to see everything unfold the last few weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole situation ends up being a huge case study for the journalism world on what not to do.

    /Two Cents Worth (Pun intended)
     
    • Like Like x 9
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. dosry5

    dosry5 Well-Known Member

    Nov 28, 2006
    5,676
    691
    113
    Johnston
    Ratings:
    +2,836 / 106 / -9
    How does my one short sentence make it seem like a major crime? I have no problem with the background check. But putting what was actually found in the story was absolutely a crap thing to do in the name of clicks only. And if you can defend the Registers right or “responsibility” to publish their findings then I don’t see how you can bemoan people’s responses. They don’t have the right to respond with their checkbooks?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. everyyard

    everyyard Well-Known Member

    Nov 24, 2006
    7,345
    668
    113
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,173 / 103 / -2
    agree. You don’t try to destroy almost 50 years of a great ride over the mismanagement of ONE story. This has been coming for a while. And I think it is dishonest and disingenuous for them to say it is all because of the Carson King story and then essentially enlist all RAGBRAI riders to help destroy RAGBRAI. Not for me.
     
    • Agree Agree x 12
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Knownothing

    Knownothing Well-Known Member

    Nov 22, 2006
    16,650
    1,742
    113
    Ratings:
    +8,781 / 812 / -114
    It's totally amazing that one sign at Gameday and a guy asking for beer money has created all of this crazy.. Over 3 million for a childrens hospital, The Register stuff, The Busch light stuff, The Ragbrai stuff, reporters being fired, People calling for the Editor to step down. All because Carson King wanted 20 bucks for Busch light. hahah. Crazy how this country works these days.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Winner Winner x 3
  10. CyCloned

    CyCloned Well-Known Member

    Oct 18, 2006
    10,686
    745
    113
    Male
    Accountant
    Robins, Iowa
    Ratings:
    +4,184 / 245 / -1
    This says it all. They were wrong to dig into his past so far, they were wrong to write the story, they were wrong to publish it, but mostly they were wrong for writing several articles and letters tell the rest of the world that they were right and the rest of us were wrong. Just plain stupid.

    Last year was my 40th RAGBRAI, and will probably be my last. Sad that it came to this, but this whole situation pretty well mimics the media culture of our country.
     
  11. SCarolinaCy

    SCarolinaCy Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    2,078
    105
    63
    Greenville, SC
    Ratings:
    +710 / 157 / -6
    You cannot BUY this much promotion that the new sheriff is getting. Same dates, same, same, All free. Expect this ride/website to be franchised in two years. Think "Ohio's Ride", etal Ride Iowa, all the way to the bank.
     
  12. Knownothing

    Knownothing Well-Known Member

    Nov 22, 2006
    16,650
    1,742
    113
    Ratings:
    +8,781 / 812 / -114
    The one thing that sucks about the new event... The Name.. Ragbrai was a cool name. Even though a lot of people have no idea what it stands for and some don't care. However, the name itself was better than just "The Iowa Ride". They could have came up with a cool name that meant something even if nobody knew what the hell it meant.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  13. Isualum13

    Isualum13 Well-Known Member

    Apr 27, 2018
    576
    304
    63
    Male
    Ratings:
    +798 / 31 / -1
    Sorry if someone already posted this, but ragbrai/the register are absolutely getting roasted on Twitter.
     
  14. Trice

    Trice Well-Known Member

    Apr 1, 2010
    1,935
    274
    83
    Ankeny, Iowa
    Ratings:
    +1,661 / 59 / -1
    Another banner day for Iowans, acting with decency and dignity. /facepalm
     
    • Like Like x 4
  15. Tri4Cy

    Tri4Cy Well-Known Member
    SuperFanatic SuperFanatic T2

    Apr 4, 2012
    1,047
    258
    83
    Male
    Urbandale
    Ratings:
    +778 / 14 / -0
    Agreed. That's how the conversation was brought up. I was talking about how I loved the ride and they went into the problems they have trying to organize everything. The resources needed to support that many people in such small towns had become problematic. Then you add on top of that, people expecting more and more "support" each year. The bathroom lines are too long, not clean enough, what about showers, power supply for my phone, etc, etc.

    I have to stress the conversation around breaking up the ride a bit was all hypotheticals by us discussing what it might take to "save" RAGBRAI. Essentially, if you're one of those people who needs all the support, you're gonna have to pay for it. The problem with that concept though is the fact that is essentially what they try to do now. Only a limited amount of people actually register for the ride, the rest are bandits.

    I for one would be a big fan of the self-supported type ride. The concerts and stuff are cool but what percentage of people who "ride" RAGBRAI actually ride their bike across the state? The more and more time I spend there the more I realize most are just there for the party and ride MAYBE 50% of the time. The rest is spent on the bus. Who knows. I'm interested to see where this goes though!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  16. Halincandenza

    Halincandenza Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2018
    2,171
    281
    83
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,680 / 312 / -21
    First of all, why were people asking the RAGBRAI director about Carson King? People are dumb.
    Second, it was clear this was in the works prior to this.
    Third, there will probably be a legal fight bc the director and staff likely worked on route, details etc while also working for RAGBRAI.
    Fourth, they are trying to use the charity aspect as PR to push this and also trying to attach their name to King for PR reasons as well. Fact is they are all getting paid and there are lots of costs involved and I doubt there is really much profit from it to give to charity.
    Fifth, this guy doesn’t understand 1st amendment rights or he just playing dumb and again using it to justify the move.
    Lastly, You can replicate the ride across the state but you can’t replicate the tradition, memories etc tied to RAGBRAI which is why I don’t see this working.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 2
  17. Cycsk

    Cycsk Well-Known Member
    SuperFanatic SuperFanatic T2

    Aug 17, 2009
    20,348
    1,785
    113
    Ratings:
    +5,961 / 301 / -4
    No reports from the interview with the former RAGBRAI director on The Morning Rush?
     
  18. Halincandenza

    Halincandenza Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2018
    2,171
    281
    83
    Male
    Ratings:
    +2,680 / 312 / -21
    How was it clickbait when it was like one paragraph at the end of a story and it wasn’t in the headline of the story at all?
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  19. Al_4_State

    Al_4_State Well-Known Member

    Mar 27, 2006
    23,094
    2,389
    113
    Driftless Region
    Ratings:
    +7,148 / 266 / -1
    The more I think about this, the more I think this has been a long brewing feud between the organizers and corporate, and the Carson King fiasco became the sympathetic out they’ve been looking for.

    There’s entirely too much leg work done to have been put together in the past two weeks
     
    • Agree Agree x 8
  20. jereseib

    jereseib Well-Known Member

    Nov 12, 2015
    4,176
    451
    83
    Des Moines
    Ratings:
    +3,817 / 816 / -243
    Lol, I've never been banned dude, you have me confused with somebody else. It's quite comical thought that you think that.
     

Share This Page