Open up the check book, Mr. Pollard

[Clone1138]

Here's what I'm talking about. Watch from about the 2:03 mark to about 2:33

[video=youtube;JkhpyJvGGAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhpyJvGGAE[/video]

Fred talks about how he was back in Ames, 13 years prior to being announced as head coach when his wife was pregnant with their first child and he was be honored with the key to the city. He talks about how he stood up in front of the crowd that day and said, "My goal, one day, is to come back and coach my child in front of the greatest fans on the planet."

Now, I don't know if 2014 Fred Hoiberg still has the same goals as 1997 Fred Hoiberg; but I can't watch him cutting down the nets in KC after winning the B12 Championship with his boys and not think that that is still important to him. If coaching his boys in front of the crowd at Hilton is still important to him, he ain't leaving any time soon. And it's obvious how much his kids love the Cyclones.

It's not about money, it's about family.

 

[VeloClone]

Here's what I'm talking about. Watch from about the 2:03 mark to about 2:33

[video=youtube;JkhpyJvGGAE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhpyJvGGAE[/video]

Fred talks about how he was back in Ames, 13 years prior to being announced as head coach when his wife was pregnant with their first child and he was be honored with the key to the city. He talks about how he stood up in front of the crowd that day and said, "My goal, one day, is to come back and coach my child in front of the greatest fans on the planet."

Now, I don't know if 2014 Fred Hoiberg still has the same goals as 1997 Fred Hoiberg; but I can't watch him cutting down the nets in KC after winning the B12 Championship with his boys and not think that that is still important to him. If coaching his boys in front of the crowd at Hilton is still important to him, he ain't leaving any time soon. And it's obvious how much his kids love the Cyclones.

It's not about money, it's about family.

 

[Rabbuk]

Get it through your thick skull. If you drop Track and Cross Country you are dropping 6 sports (M&W indoor track, outdoor track & CC) and ISU no longer participates in enough sports for Big 12 membership.

Also you'd lose all those women's title 9 schollys.

 

[00clone]

Also you'd lose all those women's title 9 schollys.

Fine, then we add something back in to replace them...like foxy boxing or hot oil wrestling

(and before the lovely ladies of Cf grab the pitchforks...it's a Simpsons reference)

 

[VeloClone]

Fine, then we add something back in to replace them...like foxy boxing or hot oil wrestling

(and before the lovely ladies of Cf grab the pitchforks...it's a Simpsons reference)

http://www.lflus.com/minnesotavalkyrie

 

[CYKOFAN]

Cael did NOT leave because of money. He only got about $15,000 more in salary than he was making at ISU. The reason Cael left is because he felt it would be easier to win a National Championship at Penn State and build a championship program that would be HIS.

Pollard tried to talk Cael out of it but Cael's mind was made up. He wanted to go to Penn State.

I know what the company line is and Cael has been very diplomatic and said very little about the situation. But I also know it's human nature to feel a little slighted when you're building a program of national prominence and can get very little help for the program while the football and basketball coaches are getting extensions and raises after terrible seasons. I'm not on the inside by any means, I just think if the administration had been on top of the situation and made sure Cael was happy and getting more of what he needed, he may not have considered leaving. We'll probably never know as I doubt Cael is a guy who would say he was upset about what was going on even if he was. He obviously was unsatisfied enough to leave his alma mater and go elsewhere. And Cael made the Penn State program, not the high school wrestling programs in Pennsylvania. I have no doubt had he stayed at ISU he would have taken us to national titles as Iowa also has great high school wrestling and Gable was retired. He also had very few strong wrestling programs to compete with for wrestlers west of the Missouri river. In Pennsylvania he has some very good eastern schools and the strong Big 10 programs competing for wrestlers. But the fact is it's Cael who attracts great wrestlers and develops them into champions as long as he's got the budget and facilities to recruit.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Why? They should have a healthy budget that allows them to compete. Show me where Jamie hasn't done that with wrestling. Wasn't Cael one of the highest paid coaches in wrestling when he left? What more do you want him to do?

I don't think Corey Ihmels was getting tons of resources poured into his sports before he left. They absolutely had to get a new track since they could no longer run on the old one.

Show me where Pollard isn't supporting the wrestling program.

Seems like I heard something about making a new cross country course too, just don't think the fans get any benefit from it. And I'm sure the wrestling program is getting what it needs. The problem is there was and still are two names above all else in college wrestling, Gable and Sanderson, and Gable is retired. Whoever has Sanderson wins. We had him and lost him and all the excuses in the world won't change that.

 

[Stormin]

I know what the company line is and Cael has been very diplomatic and said very little about the situation. But I also know it's human nature to feel a little slighted when you're building a program of national prominence and can get very little help for the program while the football and basketball coaches are getting extensions and raises after terrible seasons. I'm not on the inside by any means, I just think if the administration had been on top of the situation and made sure Cael was happy and getting more of what he needed, he may not have considered leaving. We'll probably never know as I doubt Cael is a guy who would say he was upset about what was going on even if he was. He obviously was unsatisfied enough to leave his alma mater and go elsewhere. And Cael made the Penn State program, not the high school wrestling programs in Pennsylvania. I have no doubt had he stayed at ISU he would have taken us to national titles as Iowa also has great high school wrestling and Gable was retired. He also had very few strong wrestling programs to compete with for wrestlers west of the Missouri river. In Pennsylvania he has some very good eastern schools and the strong Big 10 programs competing for wrestlers. But the fact is it's Cael who attracts great wrestlers and develops them into champions as long as he's got the budget and facilities to recruit.

Cael was actually doing quite well at ISU. 3 straight Big 12 titles. And coming off a National Runner-Up finish. WHAT exactly do you think Cael was lacking? You claim he did not have the budget or facilities to recruit. That isn't true. What IS true is that Pennsylvania is in the midst of a wealth of wrestling talent and there is NO Iowa Hawkeye wrestling program in the same state. Cael literally gets the pick of ALL that talent which makes the job of recruiting much easier. While there are some decent programs competing with him, NONE have the resume of 15 consecutive National Championships like Iowa had under Gable. ISU actually had Bobby Douglas retire early to hand the head coaching job to Cael so we would not have another Gable story happen. IMO, Cael left because he felt he would always be competing in Gable and Iowa's shadow. They would always be there. So he left and went to Penn State where there is NO Gable and NO Iowa. Cael just wanted out.

 

[im4cyclones]

Seems like I heard something about making a new cross country course too, just don't think the fans get any benefit from it. And I'm sure the wrestling program is getting what it needs. The problem is there was and still are two names above all else in college wrestling, Gable and Sanderson, and Gable is retired. Whoever has Sanderson wins. We had him and lost him and all the excuses in the world won't change that.

Dude, we get it. You are passionate about wrestling. I appreciate that. But that ship has sailed. Maybe KJ will get it back to respectability. Maybe he won't (Hope he does because he is a good guy). But this is starting to sound like the bring-back-baseball crowd.

 

[Stormin]

Seems like I heard something about making a new cross country course too, just don't think the fans get any benefit from it. And I'm sure the wrestling program is getting what it needs. The problem is there was and still are two names above all else in college wrestling, Gable and Sanderson, and Gable is retired. Whoever has Sanderson wins. We had him and lost him and all the excuses in the world won't change that.

We had Gable before we had Sanderson. Get over it.

 

[CYKOFAN]

We had Gable before we had Sanderson. Get over it.

Uhhhh. Gable was never the head wrestling coach at ISU. And I disagree that Sanderson would have to live in Gable's shadow. He outdid Gable as a wrestler and he may be on his way to outshining him as a coach as well, time will tell. And the Gable factor was about over at Iowa when Cael left. Sure Brands had some great years with Gable leftover recruits and he got a big break when I believe it was VTech that dropped wrestling and Brands got a few great wrestlers from there. But since those wrestlers have worked thru the program the Iowa program has dropped off, now to the point where they weren't anywhere close in the national title chase this year. And although Cael may have wanted a little more money and better facilities, I'll never believe he was afraid of competing in Gable and Iowa's shadow. We're going in circles and I understand you're giving the administration's side of this, I just don't agree with it.

 

[jsb]

I don't know how this turned into a Cael vs. track argument, but losing Hoiberg would be a thousand times worse than losing Cael or Gable.

 

[Stormin]

Uhhhh. Gable was never the head wrestling coach at ISU. And I disagree that Sanderson would have to live in Gable's shadow. He outdid Gable as a wrestler and he may be on his way to outshining him as a coach as well, time will tell. And the Gable factor was about over at Iowa when Cael left. Sure Brands had some great years with Gable leftover recruits and he got a big break when I believe it was VTech that dropped wrestling and Brands got a few great wrestlers from there. But since those wrestlers have worked thru the program the Iowa program has dropped off, now to the point where they weren't anywhere close in the national title chase this year. And although Cael may have wanted a little more money and better facilities, I'll never believe he was afraid of competing in Gable and Iowa's shadow. We're going in circles and I understand you're giving the administration's side of this, I just don't agree with it.

Gable wanted to be an assistant to Nichols and hoped to be given the head coaching job when Nichols retired. And the story goes that when he was training for the Olympics in 1972 the ISU athletic department balked at paying for the tape Gable needed to tape his ankles. University of Iowa was hoping to make inroads with Gable and an Iowa trainer supposedly sent him a box with about $100 of tape. University of Iowa offered Gable an assistant coaching job and assured him that Kurdlemeier would be retiring soon and the Head Coaching job would be his.

You can believe what you want, but Pollard and Cael both said that Cael thought it would be easier to win a National Championship at Penn State. Read the link.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...wrestling-sanderson-penn-state_N.htm?csp=N009

"It's been a real tough decision, and I never really consider leaving Iowa State," said Sanderson, 29, a Utah native. "It's just I think it's a better opportunity long term for me and my family. And as tough as it is, I'm excited to go that route."

Sanderson said it "became even more intriguing" the more he considered Penn State's offer."They're not giving me a huge pay raise or anything like that. I feel like it's just a great opportunity," said Sanderson, scheduled to hold a Monday press conference at Penn State.​

The Penn State job opened up this month when Troy Sunderland resigned after 11 seasons.Sunderland, a two-time NCAA runner-up as a wrestler at Penn State, coached the Nittany Lions to an overall dual meet record of 115-90-2 and four top-10 team finishes at the NCAA tournament. During his tenure, three Nittany Lions won individual national titles.But expectations were higher than that for Penn State, which sits in the middle of a state loaded with high school wrestling talent. Last season, Penn State was 8-12-2 in dual meets and 17th at nationals.At Iowa State, athletic director Jamie Pollard said he was informed Friday by Sanderson that he had accepted the Penn State job."I am extremely saddened for our institution's student-athletes, staff, alums and fans," Pollard said in a press release."It is a difficult day for all Cyclones as we cope with the departure of a truly outstanding and accomplished student and coach. Cael's unblemished collegiate record, Olympic glory and promising start as a coach all came while he was representing Iowa State University and he will forever be recognized as a Cyclone."Pollard said he spoke to Sanderson multiple times as he mulled his decision and urged him to stay. He said Iowa State President Gregory Geoffroy did the same.
Why did he leave?"In the end, Cael said that he appreciated everything Iowa State and our fans had done for him but he believes winning a national championship will be easier at Penn State," said Pollard."He said the high school talent in Pennsylvania and surrounding states is the best in the country. … He also said their overall athletics department resources are the best in the country."

During Sanderson's wrestling career at Iowa State from 1999-2002, he went 159-0. He won four NCAA titles (three at 184 pounds and one at 197) and all four times he was named outstanding wrestler at the national finals. He was a three-time winner of the Hodge Trophy as the nation's top college wrestler. He retired from wrestling after winning a gold medal in freestyle Olympics at the 2004 Olympics in Athens.Sanderson became head coach at Iowa State in 2006 after two seasons as an assistant.​

 

[CapnCy]

I believe it was Thinking Mans Fan on Murph and Andy that I thought had a great thought on all of this. He took it back to CFH at Ames high and having lots of great offers, but chose to stay in Ames. There was a lot more to it, but the jist was CFH has gravitated towards Ames a long time and that core of him will always be there.

 

[SammyWild]

Cael did NOT leave because of money. He only got about $15,000 more in salary than he was making at ISU. The reason Cael left is because he felt it would be easier to win a National Championship at Penn State and build a championship program that would be HIS.

Pollard tried to talk Cael out of it but Cael's mind was made up. He wanted to go to Penn State.

Please don't take this wrong, but you should really really really really look into something before you make incorrect blanket statements like this, and the boeheim's salary.

 

[Stormin]

Please don't take this wrong, but you should really really really really look into something before you make incorrect blanket statements like this, and the boeheim's salary.

The links I have posted contradict your statement. POST YOUR links backing up your statement.

You said that we should be paying Hoiberg $3 million plus per year. Only 7 college coaches make over $3 million. Seven. And when it comes to revenue, ISU basketball brings in about $9 million of revenue....total. Kansas brings in about $18 million.

Here is the link for Boeheim's salary.....again. It is $1.9 million.

http://www.businessinsider.com/here...-paid-college-basketball-coaches-2013-12?op=1

 

[cycloneworld]

Why does everyone say money does matter to Fred? Just because he has money from his NBA days? That doesn't mean anything if you study anyone that is successful (Warren Buffet would have stopped trying a long, long time ago). Name one other coach that doesn't want a raise. Hell, name someone in the general workforce that doesn't want a raise or more money.

We have no idea what Hoiberg's real priorities are at Iowa State but nearly every other coach in the history of coaching wants more money. I really don't see Hoiberg as any different.

 

[Spam]

When ISU increased LE's salary to 1.2 million, wasn't it in the top 3-4 salaries in the country?

 

[Spam]

Why does everyone say money does matter to Fred? Just because he has money from his NBA days? That doesn't mean anything if you study anyone that is successful (Warren Buffet would have stopped trying a long, long time ago). Name one other coach that doesn't want a raise. Hell, name someone in the general workforce that doesn't want a raise or more money.

We have no idea what Hoiberg's real priorities are at Iowa State but nearly every other coach in the history of coaching wants more money. I really don't see Hoiberg as any different.

Agree. Money matters to pretty much everybody. A lot of people here would say they'd take a job at ISU for half of what they're making now, because they love ISU. But when it comes to actually making such a choice, very few would actually do that. Easy to talk the talk.

Money may not be the most important thing for most people (in comparison to family, faith or whatever). But money would be important to everyone. Who doesn't want to ensure that their children never have to worry about money ever in their lives.

 

[jdoggivjc]

The arguments of the last 5 pages of this thread exist solely because people are under the impression that Fred and JP aren't in constant contact with one another, making sure one's needs are communicated and met. JP knows the significance of Fred to ISU and Ames, and he's going to make sure that Fred is taken care of. But there's no point in paying Fred $3 million a year if he doesn't want it, especially if Fred realizes JP can improve the basketball program as a whole by not paying him that much.

The bottom line is JP is going to take care of Fred, and Fred isn't the money-motivated bastard some of you are making him out to be.