Not true. Go look at the 2008-2009 team rankings. Go compare that to the AP Top 25. It's nearly identical
Ok what am i missing with our recruiting?
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Not true. Go look at the 2008-2009 team rankings. Go compare that to the AP Top 25. It's nearly identical
I think if we're comparing recruiting classes we have to;
1. wait for the class to be full and then compare it to last year
2. consider number and ratings of the commits at this exact date last year
I'm not blown away so far either but I'm also not on the staff and don't know **** about talent evaluation. And as PR says (and has been repeated here often) "It's not the kids you whiff on that hurt you, it's the kids you bring in who can't perform at the Big XII level. To me that says PR is quite cognizant of the danger of bringing in kids who can't hack a Big XII grind.
On an individual basis, yeah. But with a larger sample size of an entire recruiting class or multiple classes, there is a pretty strong correlation between recruiting rankings and on-field success.
Not a ton of other great offers among our recruits, but CPR and staff have been good at identifying talent early. In past years quite a few of our recruits committed to us with a minimal amount of offers and then were later offered by other BCS schools. We are never going to have high recruiting rankings but hopefully the staff will do a good job in evaluation and development - that is key for us.
It's not as much offending anyone as continuing to beat their dead horse. That's why I made the "Out of Gas" comment. It's been discussed enough that CPR = Out of Gas, has become a common theme on here.
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It holds meaning for those top programs. What about teams 26-75 which is where we fall typically? Do the rankings correlate?
Those rankings have much less meaning outside of the top programs who get the top talent imo.
No more in before sunshine and rainbows.oliceman:
And I included lollipops as well :spinny:
Hahaha....thats outstanding.
The thing is, when you point out that recruiting is not going well people come back with ISU will never get a lot of 4 and 5 star talent. But that is not what people are expecting. I think people expect that after three years they start seeing higher ranked three star recruits signing, maybe a 4 star or two in a class, or maybe some 3 stars with good offer lists.
People are aware of the recruiting limitations but that does not mean they can't improve. I think last year they were ranked in the 70s on rivals for their class. If they can just move up to around 50 it would be a great improvement and something I think they should be doing after three years.
What good is beating the #2 country on national TV if you can't turn it in to getting better recruits?
People are aware of the recruiting limitations but that does not mean they can't improve. I think last year they were ranked in the 70s on rivals for their class. If they can just move up to around 50 it would be a great improvement and something I think they should be doing after three years.
What good is beating the #2 country on national TV if you can't turn it in to getting better recruits?
I realize that it's not exactly exciting around here in the offseason, but that is no reason to call this forum that.
Its funny that people are impressed by the players when watching their highlights, yet we are questioning how the recruiting class is going based on their rivals rating.
There is no way that rivals looks as hard at the 3* and lower players as the do with 4* or 5* players. This is why ratings dont mean that much for the middle of the road teams. First we werent getting recruits and people were concerned that we were never going to get a guy to commit. Now, we are getting recruits now, yet people are still complaining.
There is no way that rivals looks as hard at the 3* and lower players as the do with 4* or 5* players. This is why ratings dont mean that much for the middle of the road teams. First we werent getting recruits and people were concerned that we were never going to get a guy to commit. Now, we are getting recruits now, yet people are still complaining.
I would say they generally hold true for teams in the top 40-50. Are there outliers? Sure. But for the most part if you recruit talent, you win more.
We as ISU fans like to bring up Knott and Klein. That's great, that's 2 players out of the many that play that are All Big 12 players that were undervalued. And how many of those have we had in the past decade? It's tough to find a lot of diamonds in the rough.
I love CPR. Huge man crush on him. I just think it's an honest question to ask why recruiting has been so much a struggle after the big wins we had last year. We should have a lot of momentum.
Your post isn't very impressive either when it is incomplete.
Let's judge the recruiting when the class is all put together and signed.
The last few classes have ended up full of solid 3 star talent. This class will most likely end up the same with maybe a surprise or two mixed in.
The unrated guys are kids that the staff has seen play and they felt they were worth an offer. I think these guys are currently under the radar and would probably have a few more offers after teams got senior tape on them. It sounds like a cop-out but CPR and staff have done pretty much the same thing each year. They have gone out and been the first major offer on some kids that end up having great years and get looks from other BCS programs before signing day.
Would I love it if all of our guys were 3 stars or better with lots of offers? Sure. CPR hasn't made a habit of bringing in a bunch of scrubs so I say keep the faith brother.
The unrated guys are kids that the staff has seen play and they felt they were worth an offer. I think these guys are currently under the radar and would probably have a few more offers after teams got senior tape on them. It sounds like a cop-out but CPR and staff have done pretty much the same thing each year. They have gone out and been the first major offer on some kids that end up having great years and get looks from other BCS programs before signing day.
Would I love it if all of our guys were 3 stars or better with lots of offers? Sure. CPR hasn't made a habit of bringing in a bunch of scrubs so I say keep the faith brother.
You are the one getting all bent because someone made a little joke out of your poor spelling.
Eh, someone has to be the first BCS school to offer a recruit.
Why not Zoidberg, I mean ISU.
CPR has brought in pretty solid talent for a few straight years. I don't think he is all of a sudden going to start missing on every guy he offers.
Why not Zoidberg, I mean ISU.
CPR has brought in pretty solid talent for a few straight years. I don't think he is all of a sudden going to start missing on every guy he offers.
I think that you are missing the point. Everyone can recognize a 5 star talent, and the teams that get those guys generally win.
However, there are a vast number of players outside of that small sample that are good football players that can help a team win. Recruiting rankings mean nothing in this zone, as no service can possibly evaluate every player who fits into this category. Therefore, "talent" cannot really be defined until those kids have left school.
I think people's expectations of what that win and six total wins would do for recruiting were way too high. There are still so many limitations at ISU as far as geography, brand recognition and just history in general. The model for success here has to be long term from and expectation standpoint. The talent infusion isn't going to be fast. The talent has become better over the past 3-4 years. Has it gone from bad to great? No, but it has gotten to about average. Sure, it'd be nice to land some more well known guys, but that isn't easy. Anymore, with scholarship limitations it has brought a lot of schools into play with similar history as ISU but with more to offer in some aspects. I am talking about schools in the south. If a Texas kid doesn't get a Texas offer like they may have before reduced scholarships, now they have other options like Baylor, TCU and TT that are still within Texas. The same applies to South Florida. So, while reduced scholarships make more players available to ISU, they also bring more schools into play. It's really hard to get those really talented kids to come from FL or TX when they have similar options within their home state. It's incredibly cliche but I guess you have to just trust that the coaches are getting the best they can. Are they getting all they want? I'm sure not, not but there are only a handful of programs getting anything close to what everything they want. Even then, those programs aren't filling up with their top option at every spot.
It's kind of funny that a guy who starts still another thread in June about the quality of a recruiting class with just a little over half a dozen guys in it so far is telling people to relax. Maybe you should relax and judge the class when it has been put together.
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