I can vouch for that. Watch a replay of SB XLIV some time. Sean Payton coached circles around Caldwell. Nice guy and I get why players love him but he's in over his head on the sidelines.
NFL: Offseason Thread
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I can vouch for that. Watch a replay of SB XLIV some time. Sean Payton coached circles around Caldwell. Nice guy and I get why players love him but he's in over his head on the sidelines.
Teddy is a viable signing candidate. No one is going to offer a large amount of $ for obvious reasons. MN likely signs him to an incentive laden contract for 1-2 years.
Keenum is absolutely going to get attention. Teams chase retreads every year, taking a stab at a guy with a breakout season is a clear choice.
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Agreed. That said, there could be some other solid QB's on the market as well. Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins, etc. I'd put Keenum in the 2nd tier of QBs that have a chance to hit free agency, this year. I can't see another team offering him enough money to justify the Vikings giving him the franchise tag, but who knows?
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Changing to a non-Vikings topic, who do you think will be some of the big name cuts this offseason?
I could easily see Dez Bryant hit the open market. He's getting paid way too much for what he produces, and probably thinks he could do better in an offense that isn't so run oriented. Not sure that he would get top money anymore, but I could see him signing with a contender.
Imagine the new Green Bay GM making a splash and signing Dez. Between him and Davante Adams, Rodgers would be pretty happy, you would think.
I could easily see Dez Bryant hit the open market. He's getting paid way too much for what he produces, and probably thinks he could do better in an offense that isn't so run oriented. Not sure that he would get top money anymore, but I could see him signing with a contender.
Imagine the new Green Bay GM making a splash and signing Dez. Between him and Davante Adams, Rodgers would be pretty happy, you would think.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/02/carson-palmer-announces-his-retirement/
Arizona was likely to be in the market for a new QB anyway, but it's for sure now with Carson Palmer officially calling it quits.
How attractive is the Cardinals job for head coach candidates? There's David Johnson and a few good pieces to work with on defense, but the o-line is a mess and if Larry Fitzgerald retires then there isn't much in the cupboard at WR.
Arizona was likely to be in the market for a new QB anyway, but it's for sure now with Carson Palmer officially calling it quits.
How attractive is the Cardinals job for head coach candidates? There's David Johnson and a few good pieces to work with on defense, but the o-line is a mess and if Larry Fitzgerald retires then there isn't much in the cupboard at WR.
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agreed. I feel like they're trending downward. David Johnson is a nice piece to build around, but he can't do it all. With the Rams looking good, and the 49ers appearing to put some things together, and if Russel Wilson stays Russel Wilson, the Cards look like the basement of the NFC West for the foreseeable future.
I don't envy Spielman's decision for QB for next season.
You can't depend on Bradford to stay healthy so he is out. You really haven't seen enough of "post injury" Teddy. Case is a tough choice. Do you think this season was a flash in the pan or has he really found his place?
I think you ride the Case Train as long as he's hot. Unless he gets taken apart in the playoffs, he should get first shot next season (if they resign both he and Teddy).
If Teddy is really BACK and ready to take over, he'll prove it at some point next season. Both are well worth resigning.
MN has a lot of young players to resign soon, they are not going to have the money to sign both Teddy and Case to expensive multi-year contracts. Teddy doesn't have the leverage to force more than a 1 year contract but Keenum does.
I don't envy their decision, but personally, I think Keenum is a case (if I can use that pun) of a player finding a perfect situation. Minnesota has the perfect compliment of weapons and OC to work for him.
He would fail in Arizona or another team with a crummy Oline. He also needs WRs that can get YAC and has some running game. Most .500 or below team is not likely to fit that. That said, it's not hard to see a GM convince himself that for $8-10 million / year, he can make it work and I can't see the Vikings wanting to pay that, especially if Shumer gets a head coaching job.
Was I imagining things a couple of weeks ago when it was being reported that Marvin Lewis was going to move on at the end of the season? ESPN is reporting now that the Bengals just gave signed him to a 2 year extension. What the hell?
Man, if the Vikes change QBs just for the sake of change, they're crazy. 13-3 isn't good enough? Their defense will keep them in every game, and Keenum played at a high level this season. Why mess with success?
They're not changing just for the sake of it, the Vikings do not have any QB under contract for 2018. Case's current contract is 1 year for $2 million which is tied for 68th place out of all NFL QB contracts (it's the same deal that Mark Sanchez has in Chicago and Ryan Mallet has in Baltimore). Case is going to ask for top dollar and a longer-term deal (as he should) and Minnesota has to decide if he's worth it or if they offer Teddy at a reduced price (due to his injury). I don't think there is anyway they are able to keep both.
Then there is the situation with the OC (Shurmur) leaving. How much of Case's success was on Shurmur's system? This season is a statistical anomaly for Keenum, and Shurmur has had similar results elsewhere: he was OC in Philadelphia under Chip Kelly and coached Nick Foles. Can Case learn a new offensive system in 2018 (and beyond) and still be as effective? Lots of things for the front office to think about this off season - hopefully Case makes it an easy decision and wins the whole damn thing.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-include-four-players-first-year-eligibility
"The 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2018 includes four former players who are in their first year of eligibility.
The modern-era finalists revealed Tuesday night include linebacker Ray Lewis, wide receiver Randy Moss, guard Steve Hutchinson and linebacker Brian Urlacher. Those four players finished their careers with a combined 34 Pro Bowl selections and 20 first-team All-Pro selections.
Tackle Tony Boselli, wide receiver Isaac Bruce, safety Brian Dawkins, guard Alan Faneca, tackle Joe Jacoby, running back Edgerrin James, cornerback Ty Law, safety John Lynch, center Kevin Mawae, wide receiver Terrell Owens and cornerback Everson Walls are the other finalists."
Any of the first timers going to make it this year? Ray Lewis seems like a lock even though **** that guy, and I could buy Randy Moss getting in although I think he'll end up having to wait a year or two.
"The 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2018 includes four former players who are in their first year of eligibility.
The modern-era finalists revealed Tuesday night include linebacker Ray Lewis, wide receiver Randy Moss, guard Steve Hutchinson and linebacker Brian Urlacher. Those four players finished their careers with a combined 34 Pro Bowl selections and 20 first-team All-Pro selections.
Tackle Tony Boselli, wide receiver Isaac Bruce, safety Brian Dawkins, guard Alan Faneca, tackle Joe Jacoby, running back Edgerrin James, cornerback Ty Law, safety John Lynch, center Kevin Mawae, wide receiver Terrell Owens and cornerback Everson Walls are the other finalists."
Any of the first timers going to make it this year? Ray Lewis seems like a lock even though **** that guy, and I could buy Randy Moss getting in although I think he'll end up having to wait a year or two.
Which QBs should be available? I haven't followed it very closely.
I'm a little worried that Big Ben will call it quits and the Steelers will be in the market for a QB for the first time in a long while.
It's all just speculation for now, but I think all of these guys could potentially be available either via free agency or trade:
Eli Manning
Case Keenum
Teddy Bridgewater
Sam Bradford
Alex Smith
Kirk Cousins
Jay Cutler (probably back off to retirement)
Josh McCown
Tyrod Taylor
Blake Bortles (let's see what happens in the playoffs)
Andy Dalton or AJ McCarron (less likely now with Marvin Lewis coming back, but you never know)
Jacoby Brissett (new coaching staff in Indy. Brissett might not fit the new guy's system but he's shown enough that he could still maybe be worth a mid round draft pick to the right team.)
Plus whoever comes out in the draft - Josh Allen, probably Rosen and Darnold, Mayfield, and a couple others who will shoot up the boards as we get closer to the draft.
Like you said, the Steelers could be in the market too if Roethlisberger follows through on his retirement threat.
That's a big list. Not sure if any of them would be a good fit for the Steelers though. Hopefully Ben sticks around for a few more years.
They need to do something. He isn't going to last forever and he has taken a pretty good beating over the years. He just withstands it better due to his size. Not sure Landry Jones is the answer.
Landry Jones is definitely not the answer. The Steelers are going to have a really interesting offseason. Roethlisberger might retire or worse yet pull a Favre and waffle until it's too damn late in the offseason for them to do anything about it, Leveon Bell could be headed out the door, and who knows if Ryan Shazier will ever walk again, let alone play football. It's not necessarily a doomsday scenario for them; no matter what they'll still have Antonio Brown in the fold, Smith-Schuster is having a great rookie year, and there are some good young players on the defensive side. But like the Seahawks, they could look drastically different next year. Lucky for them the rest of the AFC North is crap.
