***Official TT postgame thread***

[clone1990]

Not at all. The other poster made a comment that essentially it isn't good to start over so stick with Prohm. My objection is I don't think Prohm can get this program to compete for a big12 title or anything futher due to his limitations as a coach and then people get mad. This season has amplied his shortcomings. I am just calling it as I see it. What is wrong with that?

Nothing at all, but in this forum name calling or belittling is the default for those that can’t stand other opinions or those that question coaching. Before someone jumps down my throat, I do not believe we should fire Prohm, but next year will be telling.

A tell tale sign is calling someone dumb or stupid. Solid debate tactics. Or questioning the number or type of posts. Apparently there is some formula for this that the uninitiated like myself don’t understand.

 

[clonedlion]

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion. The problem is you tying that opinion to objectivity. You don't think prohm can win us a big 12 title, fine. But holding that opinion doesn't make you objective, it makes you pessimistic. And trying to portray your opinion as the sole objective truth just makes you look like an ass.

Sorry, I meant he has been making the same mistakes. He is slow to make in game adjustments dating back to Purdue. He is slow to make adjustments from game to game. Perhaps two bigs of LW starting as examples. Something to change losing streaks. We also know he struggles with offense, sets and inbounds plays. His defensive numbers struggle as well. All this says he may not be the best man for the job. Is he better than Will Wade? Of course. But I would also trust Pollard to find another coach with good human qualities along with being a better tactician, which is supposed why he gets paid millions.

 

[brianhos]

Regarding the Lard situation, i don’t expect Prohm to tell us everything, but I don’t think anyone believes that's why he didn’t play. I am extremely excited about Conditt’s future and he does some very good things right now but the fact is Lard would impact the game significantly more and you are hurting the other players by not playing him. I know it will probably take care of itself in offseason but I say dismiss him from team or play him significantly.

I would expect at this point Lard leaves.

 

[Doc]

I don't know how I am being a ****. Conversation was that Prohm isn't going to take Iowa State to any new heights and I think it is worth finding a personality/coach that can, similar to what Campbell has done with a football program that has historically been one of the worst in college football. Why is that met with such animosity?

This is just my opinion but people who set expectations without doing the work are the worst people in the entire ******* world.

 

[clonedlion]

Nothing at all, but in this forum name calling or belittling is the default for those that can’t stand other opinions or those that question coaching. Before someone jumps down my throat, I do not believe we should fire Prohm, but next year will be telling.

A tell tale sign is calling someone dumb or stupid. Solid debate tactics. Or questioning the number or type of posts. Apparently there is some formula for this that the uninitiated like myself don’t understand.

This I agree with and I refuse to be a part of name calling and all that. Just throwing objections and thoughts to those that think Prohm is doing a good job or is the right man for the job.

 

[clonedlion]

This is just my opinion but people who set expectations without doing the work are the worst people in the entire ******* world.

I get yelled at for asking what the expectations were after the AZ loss. We know many thought this team could compete for the BIG 12 title. For those, expectations were not met. My point is I have seen the same things being done wrong by Prohm. Now, if someone says, I will take his limitations and be happy with middle big 12 and tournament appearances, fine. But human nature and nature in general is trying to improve one's situation. Therefore, I think a different coach with different philosophy would be worth the risk to get a guy like Chris Beard who instantly took Tech to the title when they have been a joke forever.

 

[CyclONE Nation]

This I agree with and I refuse to be a part of name calling and all that. Just throwing objections and thoughts to those that think Prohm is doing a good job or is the right man for the job.

You make it sound like we've won 10 games this year, sure we could have won more, but we still won 20 games. Are 20 win seasons a failure to you?

 

[TacoCorp]

People see what they want to see. You want to see him as making excuses because you don't like him. I want to see him as sticking up for his players.

Just ask yourself what purpose it would serve if he came out and said over the last week that he sucked, his players sucked, and the season was lost? That would for sure ensure that they wouldn't win another game and it would for sure be a disservice to his players who he obviously treats as his own. He has said multiple times this year that last year was unacceptable. Multiple times.So it seems as though he is aware of things. I suspect that when the season is over, he will also be self aware enough to realize that things went wrong this year. But I think he will continue to value his players by pointing out that that the season was far from a disaster.

Campbell hasn't ever thrown his guys under the bus.

Where have I said that I don't like Steve Prohm? On what basis are you making these accusations? Making wild, broad generalizations is a common tactic used here on CyFan by those with whom they disagree. I suppose this type of behavior is expected on a message board. I quite like Steve Prohm the man. He strikes me as a decent, up-standing family man. I think he has serious flaws as a coach. Because I'm critical of some of his coaching decisions means I don't like him and as such have a biased perspective?

You're also blatantly straw-manning my position. This is why many people don't engage in the forums. There's not a lot of good-faith conversation taking place. What reasonable person would expect (or want) a coach to come out and say those things about his players? Never have I suggested a coach do as much. Check an earlier post of mine from today where I said my philosophy is to be more critical of a coach earning a high salary rather than the 18-22 year old student-athletes. The point I was trying to make was that Campbell's comments tend to take ownership as a coach over situations compared to what Prohm said in the quote I referenced.

Jeez this place is toxic.

 

[WooBadger18]

You make it sound like we've won 10 games this year, sure we could have won more, but we still won 20 games. Are 20 win seasons a failure to you?

Plus, you need to look at the risks. We have won the regular season title twice since the end of World War II. It's possible that if we fired Prohm we could find someone to take us to the next level, but it's more likely that they would do worse (since there's more room to do worse). Based on Prohm's results and recruiting I don't think you take that gamble right now

 

[TacoCorp]

Where have I said that I don't like Steve Prohm? On what basis are you making these accusations? Making wild, broad generalizations is a common tactic used here on CyFan by those with whom they disagree. I suppose this type of behavior is expected on a message board. I quite like Steve Prohm the man. He strikes me as a decent, up-standing family man. I think he has serious flaws as a coach. Because I'm critical of some of his coaching decisions means I don't like him and as such have a biased perspective?

You're also blatantly straw-manning my position. This is why many people don't engage in the forums. There's not a lot of good-faith conversation taking place. What reasonable person would expect (or want) a coach to come out and say those things about his players? Never have I suggested a coach do as much. Check an earlier post of mine from today where I said my philosophy is to be more critical of a coach earning a high salary rather than the 18-22 year old student-athletes. The point I was trying to make was that Campbell's comments tend to take ownership as a coach over situations compared to what Prohm said in the quote I referenced.

Jeez this place is toxic.

@Cyclonepride This is exactly why I rarely share my thoughts.

 

[Cyclonepride]

A couple wins in the ncaas will really help the legacy of this season. To date it’s rather meh when you consider the potential

Definitely should be better.

 

[Cyclonepride]

@Cyclonepride This is exactly why I rarely share my thoughts.

Fair enough

 

[Cat Stevens]

Please be more reactionary. You need to post more in good times and claim this team is very well coached. Oh, and when we lose you need to throw the players under the bus.

Responding to your own alt is really sad.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Season Overall Conference
2001 25–6 13–3
2002 12–19 4–12
2003 17–14 5–11
2004 20–13 7–9
2005 19–12 9–7
2006 16–14 6–10
2007 15–16 6–10
2008 14–18 4–12
2009 15–17 4–12
2010 15–17 4–12
2011 16–16 3–13
2012 23–11 12–6
2013 23–12 11–7
2014 28–8 11–7
2015 25–9 12–6
2016 23–12 10–8
2017 24–11 12–6
2018 13–18 4–14
2019 20-10 9-8

 

[clonedlion]

You make it sound like we've won 10 games this year, sure we could have won more, but we still won 20 games. Are 20 win seasons a failure to you?

I didn't say it was good or bad, but do we want this program to compete for BIG 12 titles? Yes. Do we want to see a program that has a legit shot at sweet 16's? Yes. Do I think Prohm as a tactician is good enough for that? No. Do I trust Pollard that if they were to make a coaching change, they would bring someone in who is a little more basketball savvy to make adjustments and shake things up? Yes. Would I be willing to take that chance? Yes.
That said, I am not interested in the number of wins. I am interested in how they competed down the stretch. I am interested in what changes were made when 4 guards weren't working against bigger line ups, etc. etc. That is what I don't see getting better. Frustrating losses in which Prohm failed to do more as a coach and leader.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Prohm had a big boost those first 2-years. 4 NBA players & an elite Euro player was a major gift that dropped on his lap.

And again did you think Nader was an nba player going into his senior year?

Did you think Naz would be on an nba roster?

Did you think Deonte was an nba player after watching the half year he played?

Matt was a bust amongst cyclone fans, so I know you didn’t think he would be playing at the highest level of Europe basketball either, right?

 

[LindenCy]

I didn't say it was good or bad, but do we want this program to compete for BIG 12 titles? Yes. Do we want to see a program that has a legit shot at sweet 16's? Yes. Do I think Prohm as a tactician is good enough for that? No. Do I trust Pollard that if they were to make a coaching change, they would bring someone in who is a little more basketball savvy to make adjustments and shake things up? Yes. Would I be willing to take that chance? Yes.
That said, I am not interested in the number of wins. I am interested in how they competed down the stretch. I am interested in what changes were made when 4 guards weren't working against bigger line ups, etc. etc. That is what I don't see getting better. Frustrating losses in which Prohm failed to do more as a coach and leader.

I think part of the problem was how good of a start we had. If we had the same record and the wins were more scattered, I think most people would be happy with it. We'll see how the season finishes. That will tell us how this year will be remembered. If we get a couple tourney wins, most fans are going to be very happy.

 

[CyclONE Nation]

I didn't say it was good or bad, but do we want this program to compete for BIG 12 titles? Yes. Do we want to see a program that has a legit shot at sweet 16's? Yes. Do I think Prohm as a tactician is good enough for that? No. Do I trust Pollard that if they were to make a coaching change, they would bring someone in who is a little more basketball savvy to make adjustments and shake things up? Yes. Would I be willing to take that chance? Yes.
That said, I am not interested in the number of wins. I am interested in how they competed down the stretch. I am interested in what changes were made when 4 guards weren't working against bigger line ups, etc. etc. That is what I don't see getting better. Frustrating losses in which Prohm failed to do more as a coach and leader.

You don't think he's good enough to get to sweet 16's? He's already done it. If he made a bunch adjustments and we lost a bunch of games you'd be satisfied? If you want to see how we competed down the stretch, wouldn't it make sense to wait until the season is over?

 

[Cat Stevens]

And again did you think Nader was an nba player going into his senior year?

Did you think Naz would be on an nba roster?

Did you think Deonte was an nba player after watching the half year he played?

Matt was a bust amongst cyclone fans, so I know you didn’t think he would be playing at the highest level of Europe basketball either, right?

I’d still love one of the Fred left a stacked roster people to answer this one.

I’m sure it will be something along the lines of they did it in spite of the coaching they received.

 

[Semi colon]

Prohm seems like a great guy but Ive never felt like we’ve won a game because he out coached anyone. It would be nice to see the team come out of a time out with a play to get an easy look instead of a fade away 3. A good inbounds play every now again would be nice. How about adjusting personal when your getting pounded on the boards with someone eager to rebound. There’s plenty of talent on this team they lack IQ. No anticipation. Film study appears to be a waste of time because we don’t seem ready until it’s too late. Nice guys finish last unfortunately.