My advice to both. Do not hire Lazards agent.
***Official Montgomery and Butler NFL Thread***
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When you see Butler in person he really passes the eye test.
He is a very large man with a wingspan a mile wide. Physical. Explosive. He's a receiver. He's not a tweener between TE and WR
My uninformed guess is both go pro.
Here I'll help you with a list to get you started. I suspect at least 5 of these guys will/would go before Butler
JJ Arcega-Whiteside Stanford
A.J. Brown Ole Miss
Marquise Brown Oklahoma
N’Keal Harry Arizona State
Andy Isabella Massachusetts
Jerry Jeudy Alabama
Rondale Moore Purdue
David Sills V West Virginia
John Ursua Hawaii
Tylan Wallace Oklahoma State
Antoine Wesley Texas Tech
Better intangibles. He has shiftier hips making him likely a better route runner. Wider catch radius, and seems to have a better burst of speed. It seems like there is still some potential left with him, while as Lazard hit his peak. Least that's my take.
Pretty sure Rondale Moore is just a FR, and Jeudy might be a SO?
Sills doesn't have the measurables/upside that the NFL would love about Butler. Arcega-Whiteside, meh.
I do agree, AJ Brown and Harry are highly thought of.
Hollywood Brown is a great player, but totally different than Butler(smaller). Butler's size/speed/athleticism combo probably makes him more enticing.
Wallace has had some great games this year.
Wesley is a poor-mans Hakeem.
I can't speak on Isabella or Ursua.
So to counter your point. If Hakeem runs well (4.5 or better), he will get drafted high. I don't see more than probably 2 guys being slotted ahead of him.
Speed....Butler also is a big play threat...Lazard was more possession receiver redzone jump ball guy...Butler also gets separation from DB all of Lazards catches seemed contested in man coverage.Both cyclones greats just Butler seems to have alot more juice.
NFL controls you for 5 years. Montgomery will be 22 before 2019 season starts. Which makes him 27 before he would really be eligible for a NFL free agent deal. NO ONE at RB gets a big deal anymore at RB after about age 28. I hate to say it but Montgomery needs to go. College is there to prepare you for your future job. He has prepared enough. Time to go get PAID!
Hakeem is already 22 and will be 23 before 2019 season starts. Although WR can have longer careers he will only get one chance to sign a big money deal, and entering the NFL as a 24 year old makes that not happen until you are 29 or 30.
Go get paid young men!
Hakeem is already 22 and will be 23 before 2019 season starts. Although WR can have longer careers he will only get one chance to sign a big money deal, and entering the NFL as a 24 year old makes that not happen until you are 29 or 30.
Go get paid young men!
Speaking of catch radius. I remember one of those sports science shows doing a thing on Megatron.
Said he could catch a ball anywhere in the space of a 2 car garage with only one step
These athletes are absolute freaks.
Tommy interviewed McShay recently he said he expects them to go 3rd or 4th round. Gotta think with both of those predictions that they come back.
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No less than 3 of those guys won't be eligible. Sweet list.
"Separation" was my immediate thought as well. Butler has a quicker first step and gets open a lot easier than Lazard did. Butler is also capable of running away from a DB or mercilessly throwing him to the turf once he gets the ball in his hands.
I've also always thought that Lazard's size made more people view him as a possession receiver versus Butler being the "big play" guy. Lazard made a ton of great catches, but Butler's highlight reel of big plays is gonna stand out to anyone.
Despite the surprisingly good 40 time for Lazard (4.55) he still struggled to get separation. He was slow getting in and out of breaks. I think Butler will run a better 40, but I don't think it will be significantly better. However, he's much more explosive getting in and out of breaks. I think the same can be said for vertical. I don't think it will measure out better than Lazard's but Butlers ability to adjust, get himself gathered quickly and go high point the ball is very good. A little more height than AL, but significantly better wingspan. Lastly, not sure what Butler tests out at in terms of lifting, but he has some tremendous functional strength. He isn't just tough to tackle, he breaks tackle and is a nightmare.
Really, I think the biggest thing is the difference in getting out of breaks. NFL seems to be trending toward more of the shifty, sharp route running guys rather than the big receivers, even if they have good top end speed.
I really hope both come back. Really Butler is our only true wide receiver, everyone else is a slot. The hope was that Scates could step into that spot but it seems doubtful that he’ll even be on the team.
If either is a top 2 rounder they need to go out for the draft. NFL careers are short,and if they have a chance to get paid they need to take it.
If either is a top 2 rounder they need to go out for the draft. NFL careers are short,and if they have a chance to get paid they need to take it.
I think Butler is always looking for the YAC and is hard to get to the ground, where Lazard was mostly concerned about catching the ball and protecting it, and often falling down immediately. #1 is very valuable in the NFL, #2 not so much.
David should go because he's constantly ranked as either the best or 2nd best RB in this draft. He won't get that ranking next year.
Butler will need to test well, but people know he was on the Athletic's Freak List earlier this year. He's not a weak guy by any means. I really do think he has late 1st round/early 2nd round potential.
Also, Mel Kiper is an idiot. He's still the same guy who thought MITCH LEIDNER was a 1st round draft pick. Don't take anything that guy says as serious.
Butler will need to test well, but people know he was on the Athletic's Freak List earlier this year. He's not a weak guy by any means. I really do think he has late 1st round/early 2nd round potential.
Also, Mel Kiper is an idiot. He's still the same guy who thought MITCH LEIDNER was a 1st round draft pick. Don't take anything that guy says as serious.
Agreed. The way the system works now it's damn near impossible for a good player to get to free agency. Not such a huge deal for a WR, but for an RB five years (six for a first round pick with one year playing under the franchise tag) is an eternity. Go make that money. The clock is ticking.
It's impossible to project right now with any kind of accuracy. There's still the combine and free agency before draft season, and things are going to change plenty between now and then. I do think that Butler (if he goes) will test extremely well at the combine and that's when his stock will skyrocket. We know the production is there. If a guy his size runs a sub-4.5 then some team is going to bite early. Too much upside to pass on.
Montgomery ranked as the #14 back on Walter Football. Love Montgomery. He will get drafted. But I would not be surprised if it is 3rd round at best. Maybe 4th round. He doesn’t possess elite speed or size.
Butler drops lots of easy passes. Having Purdy helps him a lot because Brock is accurate and delivers the ball to a position the WR does not have to strain to get. Butler is intriguing. But probably the same round as Montgomery.
Question is if they want to go pro for that draft position and forego their senior season. And they may not go any higher even if they stay another year. Generally the predicted round is higher than the actual round.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2019RB.php
Butler drops lots of easy passes. Having Purdy helps him a lot because Brock is accurate and delivers the ball to a position the WR does not have to strain to get. Butler is intriguing. But probably the same round as Montgomery.
Question is if they want to go pro for that draft position and forego their senior season. And they may not go any higher even if they stay another year. Generally the predicted round is higher than the actual round.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2019RB.php
I tend to lean towards Butler leaving, Montgomery staying. Montgomery draft stock lies in the hands of our O-Line and that is...unfortunate. His numbers are not great, and I know NFL teams don't draft primarily on stats, but the fact that he doesn't put up big numbers does limit his exposure at the collegiate level. I agree too, his top end speed is a question mark. But honestly, how often have we even had a chance to see it? By the time he gets to a gap or finds free space to run, he's already had to break 3,4 tackles. Montgomery really does need another year to really WOW the scouts IMO. I fear he'd go undrafted if he were to go this year
