***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***
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I heard NDSU and UNI also want in the Big 12. They will both also take the Big 10. Take it for what its worth.
How is everyone forgetting the push by Northern Illinois to get into the league?
NIU and NDSU to round out the numbers.
I have a hard time thinking the Big Ten would add good teams at this point. Big Ten be looking at Kansas, Virginia, Georgia Tech, or Duke.
And anyone in the 'other 5' or FCS would accept an invite to the Big 12 without hesitation - no question.
Anyone who paints Texas as a villain and holds Nebraska up as some kind of white knight is a ******* moron.
Texas considered leaving. Considered. Nebraska actually left. And they left to join a scenario they had prevented from happening in the Big 12.
Texas considered leaving. Considered. Nebraska actually left. And they left to join a scenario they had prevented from happening in the Big 12.
Interesting article on Cincinnati (& USF, UCF & ECU) potentially being added to the Big 12.
http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/10/7/6935165/bearcats-to-big-12
I think adding Cincy is a great move as theyre a decent football program with a rich basketball history. ECU & UCF are up and coming football programs and USF has tasted success a bit but is in a downtime.
I know we don't really recruit (at all) Ohio or North Carolina but adding two Flordia schools would be a HUGE pitch to all the Florida HS kids we get. We have something like 21 players from Florida on our roster and off the top of my head 8/9 in the normal two deeps.
I know the Texas and Oklahoma of the conference may not like having to travel to Cincinnati or ECU every few years but they can't deny that this would add solid schools (in the 2 major sports at least) and would only strengthen our conference in the long run.
http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/10/7/6935165/bearcats-to-big-12
I think adding Cincy is a great move as theyre a decent football program with a rich basketball history. ECU & UCF are up and coming football programs and USF has tasted success a bit but is in a downtime.
I know we don't really recruit (at all) Ohio or North Carolina but adding two Flordia schools would be a HUGE pitch to all the Florida HS kids we get. We have something like 21 players from Florida on our roster and off the top of my head 8/9 in the normal two deeps.
I know the Texas and Oklahoma of the conference may not like having to travel to Cincinnati or ECU every few years but they can't deny that this would add solid schools (in the 2 major sports at least) and would only strengthen our conference in the long run.
A Cincinnati blog stirring up a rumor about the possibility of Cincinnati joining the B12, sounds rock solid.
I can't believe anyone could possibly look at the likes of Cincy, ECU, USF and UCF and think for a single damn second that it would be a solid business move to look into adding them. It isn't even a solid business move to waste the resources on doing a study on the validity of that type of move.
i know that the source may not exactly be the New York Times but I think it brings up some interesting points. As for a smart business move, I will admit that ECU and USF don't add much in term of history or eyeballs but Cincinnati has amazing bball history and while UCF is a newcomer to football success they're the 2nd largest School in the country and have a lot of alumni living in a solid market.
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There's no way the Big 12 would add ECU. First, it's not that great of a school (that's kind of a big deal for university presidents). Second, ECU barely got into the AAC. Eastern NC doesn't really draw many eyeballs. When I lived in North Carolina none-ECU fans would casually catch the ECU score on the TV, but that was about it. Nobody cared that much outside of Greenville. Also, North Carolina is picked clean of decent recruits. There are eight football programs (BCS and FBS) in the state (NCSU, UNC-CHeat, Duke, ECU, UNC-Charlotte, Western Carolina, Wake Forest, App State), with only 8 or 9 million people. On top of that, all top recruits in the mountains go to either Georgia or Tennessee, or get poached by the good ACC programs (VPI, Clemson, FSU).
Cincy going to the Big 12 makes some sense given that WVU is a member. It's a decent school. If the Big 12's hand was forced, I'd put money on Cincy being one of the teams.
The Florida schools might make sense financially for TVs sake, but I doubt it gets many people in the current Big 12 excited. Personally, I think BYU would make more sense for adding TV eyeballs. I think it's a bigger brand than both florida schools, and it brings in Mormon viewers like ND does with Catholics.
Don't count out Tulane. It makes sense geographically, it's an AAU member school (Big 12 only has 3 now, and has lost 3, 4 if you count Nebraska pre-getting kicked out of AAU), it's in a big city, has a new stadium, and expands recruiting strongholds for the conference.
All of that said... nothing is going to happen until the Big 12 is forced to expand due to a 12 team requirement for a championship (which isn't required yet).
Cincy going to the Big 12 makes some sense given that WVU is a member. It's a decent school. If the Big 12's hand was forced, I'd put money on Cincy being one of the teams.
The Florida schools might make sense financially for TVs sake, but I doubt it gets many people in the current Big 12 excited. Personally, I think BYU would make more sense for adding TV eyeballs. I think it's a bigger brand than both florida schools, and it brings in Mormon viewers like ND does with Catholics.
Don't count out Tulane. It makes sense geographically, it's an AAU member school (Big 12 only has 3 now, and has lost 3, 4 if you count Nebraska pre-getting kicked out of AAU), it's in a big city, has a new stadium, and expands recruiting strongholds for the conference.
All of that said... nothing is going to happen until the Big 12 is forced to expand due to a 12 team requirement for a championship (which isn't required yet).
All great points. Having lived in NC you know a lot more about demographics of state so i'll take your word for it.
I also agree that BYU would be a great add for the Big 12 in terms of academic prestige and eyeballs added. Not to mention they have very solid teams in all sports.
I hadn't really ever thought of Tulane but that makes sense. Their football team isn't very good and their basketball team has only made the tournament 3 times but like you said, academic prestige and added market value goes along way.
I realize ECU, UCF and USF dont really add much to table but selfishly as an ISU fan know that that would help us in terms of recruiting (florida) and an easier schedule.
If the Big 12 decided to go whole hog and add four teams, UCF and USF would be shoe-ins. I just don't see it happening in an add-two scenario. I agree that it would definitely help recruiting for ISU.
Heaven help us. Our conference loses great academic peer (to ISU) state universities like Texas A&M, Mizzou, and Colorado, plus Nebraska, and we're calling Cincy a "decent school."
Talk about begging for scraps...
It's ranked #129 by US News & World Report. Compare that to ISU at #109. I'm not saying it's a great replacement for A&M, Missouri, or Colorado, but among the options available, the Big 12 could do worse, academically.
US News has Cincinatti ranked 129th best College/University in the country. Better than KSU, OSU and TTU.
They've made they NCAA tournament 28 times and 15 bowl games, both better than ISU.
Calling them scraps and implying they're not a good school academically and athletically is just ignorant.
I could see Cincy and UCF getting a look. Cincy is probably the strongest (can be argued BYU) school athletically to not be in a power 5. UCF has a huge alumni base that may be able to get huge support if the school made a big campaign for its athletics. Think about what Jamie has done for us and our enrollment is dwarfed by UCF.
I'm not saying either is P5 ready today, but if we add schools that's what you get. Those two have the most potential to become bigtime schools in my opinion.
I'm not saying either is P5 ready today, but if we add schools that's what you get. Those two have the most potential to become bigtime schools in my opinion.
Why why why do we need to tall about this? We have proven that the 10 team model is the best from a competition standpoint, as well as the $$$ standpoint.
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