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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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cygrads said:
Why does everyone assume the number in the new Div4 will be limited to 64? A football playoff will only include 8 at the most so it doesn't matter how many schools are in Div4. I would assume the Big 5 conferences would bring everyone and certain independents (ND & BYU) may be allowed in as well. Maybe I've missed the reason why it has to be limited to 64.
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I typed 64 simply because we are #64. However, a couple summers ago there was going to be only FOUR primary conferences of 16 teams each back when the Big 12 was going away. So I think that is where 64 had been coming from. My point of us being #64 wasn't related to that specific number, except that we are definitely in the top tier of the likely 80 teams to make D4.
 
Tuxedo Yoda is "reporting" that there will be no Independents in the new D4, suggesting that Notre Dame and BYU will be forced to join a conference. I wonder what will happen with Army, Air Force, and Navy?
 
surly said:
adding both nati and the ville made sense to me for the wvu connection and their basketball tradition of excellence. i think some of us are a bit too haughty at times, particularly the land granters who survive on the skirts of ut, ou, and the like.
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Academics and research are the only thing we are consistently top 3 in the big 12. We have to be arrogant about something.
 
cygrads said:
Why does everyone assume the number in the new Div4 will be limited to 64? A football playoff will only include 8 at the most so it doesn't matter how many schools are in Div4. I would assume the Big 5 conferences would bring everyone and certain independents (ND & BYU) may be allowed in as well. Maybe I've missed the reason why it has to be limited to 64.
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Just goes back to the old 16x4=64 super coference thinking as precursor to a split. Now it is 14+14+14+12+10=64 as precurser to split why everyone was fixated on 64 or 4 is beyond me because with ND it is 65 anyway. But many on here said fine even if 64 is the magic number find a metric that ISU isn't top 64 in. Kind of a moot point now though.
 
TXCyclones said:
Tuxedo Yoda is "reporting" that there will be no Independents in the new D4, suggesting that Notre Dame and BYU will be forced to join a conference. I wonder what will happen with Army, Air Force, and Navy?
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Air Force is in the Mountain West. Navy is joining the AAC. Army will probably end up doing the same. As for BYU, not sure they will be included. They have never been in a major conference before. They do however have a national following and have always been the top non-power team in attendance.
 
HoopsTournament said:
Air Force is in the Mountain West. Navy is joining the AAC. Army will probably end up doing the same. As for BYU, not sure they will be included. They have never been in a major conference before. They do however have a national following and have always been the top non-power team in attendance.
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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to imply the Armed Services Teams are Indy. Worded better I should have said, "Additionally" I wonder if Army, Navy, & USAF will be in D4 or if they'll stick to the next tier?
 
Saw mentions with title ix earlier. Have a question... If an athletic department is totally self-sufficient and gets no taxpayer money at all, why do they need to comply with title ix? Is it the non-profit stature? And, if so, I wonder what the cost break downs would be of paying corporate taxes versus supporting countless money-losing female sports.
 
TXCyclones said:
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to imply the Armed Services Teams are Indy. Worded better I should have said, "Additionally" I wonder if Army, Navy, & USAF will be in D4 or if they'll stick to the next tier?
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They are not in Power Conferences which means they will most likely not be in "D4". (By the way, I don't think it will end up being called Division 4. That would be backwards. D3 would be the lowest, but D4 would highest.)
 
Title IX - I'm not an attorney but as I understand Title IX Athletic Departments are part of the larger university. If the athletic department doesn't follow Title IX, then sanctions would be applied to the entire university. All federal research grants could be stopped; no more federal student loans to students at that school etc etc etc. That is why all universities attempt (some more so than others) to follow Title IX.
 
im4cyclones said:
Saw mentions with title ix earlier. Have a question... If an athletic department is totally self-sufficient and gets no taxpayer money at all, why do they need to comply with title ix? Is it the non-profit stature? And, if so, I wonder what the cost break downs would be of paying corporate taxes versus supporting countless money-losing female sports.
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It has to do with institutions providing equal educational opportunities. They all get a LOT of federal money they don't want to lose.

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The AAC (former Big East) is fighting for relevance in this whole Division 4 scenario. He's saying they'll pay up to get in. The interesting part is that people are saying they'll pay up without knowing yet how much that'll be! The stratification of money across all programs top to bottom is pretty amazing. So any line drawn for admittance would be completely arbitrary, which makes me think that the idea of 5x16team conferences will likely be what falls out of this.

American wants into NCAA 'Division 4'? Get ready to pay up - CBSSports.com
 
HoopsTournament said:
They are not in Power Conferences which means they will most likely not be in "D4". (By the way, I don't think it will end up being called Division 4. That would be backwards. D3 would be the lowest, but D4 would highest.)
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sort of like big12 with 10 teams, B1G with 14, Big East with midwest teams, etc???
 
Promotion/Relegation is great for professional leagues. It is an absolutely horrible idea for college sports for a multitude of reasons. One of the big ones being logistics - an AD has at least a dozen or so teams and it would be a nightmare if those teams were spread across multiple leagues. A second one being recruiting - no recruit is going to go to a school on the verge of relegation. A third being scale - think how much it would impact ISU to suddenly be playing MAC schools in terms of tickets sold and fan excitement. And how would ISU players like to suddenly be having to pack into stadiums that barely fit 20k people? And that is just the start of a list of problems with the idea. Any promotion/relegation article immediately shows me that the author does not understand college sports.
 
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