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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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TXCyclones said:
Thank you for posting the link. It appears EIU is running a rather large deficit, as are 6 or 7 other teams in that Top 50 (notably: OSU, KU, WVU)? Even once you add in the top private schools in the top tier (USC, ND, Duke, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern) I think this all still shows we're in the top 64 teams any way you slice it, whether it be by revenue, attendance, strength, etc.

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KU had to pay for all those Mangino pizza trucks.
 
surly said:
wvu dude says nati and byu coming. the guy never ceases to amaze.
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Michigan Athletic Director Dave Brandon told ESPN that:



"Based on the last three years I've been in this business, you’d be crazy not to think about it. But it's hard to model anything because you don’t know what to model. The minute you get yourself convinced that you're going to go from 14 to 16, for all you know you’re going to 18, and a lot of people think the ultimate landing place is 20. Who knows? There’s too many variables out there to predict it."


You don’t have to read between the lines to know the only major conference that’s not protected by a Grant-of-Rights (excluding the SEC) is the ACC.


The ACC is a conference with internal fractures running across the football – basketball and city – country divides that are compounded by low earnings and what’s perceived as unequal treatment and preference given to UNC and Duke.


The conference also has valuable football commodities that are harmed by the ACC’s focus on basketball and that put it (the ACC) squarely in the crosshairs of the Big 10.


UVA, GT, UNC, FSU, Boston College and even Duke have all had discussions with the Big 10 and Delany has focused his attention on UVA, GT, UNC, BC and FSU.
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That quote has to be from before April, because the ACC does​ have a grant of rights now.

The B1G, Pac-12, Big 12, and ACC all have GORs. The SEC doesn't, but no one is going anywhere from there.
 
CyFan61 said:
I don't think I agree; there is no reason for the Big 12 to add a program in the state of Texas outside of the Aggies wanting to come back (which won't happen).

I'm hoping some AAC programs start to show some dominance over the next 5 years or so, because that could mean Big 12 invites. If Cincinnati and UCF put up 10-win seasons and get some notoriety like Boise State and TCU did, they could be the ones.
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Invitations to a conference like the B12 should not be predicated only on recent on-the-field success.

If/When Chris Peterson decides to leave Boise St, there is little guarantee that Boise will sustain their success. Boise's academics will preclude them from ever getting into the P12 and I would hope it would also keep them out of the B12. Same deal with commuter schools like Cincy, Houston, UCF and USF. Louisville didn't get into the B12 because it also is a commuter school, only a desperate ACC enabled them to become the first commuter school in one of the Power 5 conferences.
 
cykadelic2 said:
It was not a mistake. Once a commuter school, always a commuter school regardless of athletic success. It's why TCU and WVU were selected instead of them.
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with all due respect to the academics, these alignments are mostly about sports. the big10 didn't shuck the corn when they lost their aau status.
 
surly said:
with all due respect to the academics, these alignments are mostly about sports. the big10 didn't shuck the corn when they lost their aau status.
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True, but they would have never got in the B10 without AAU status. Nebraska got lucky because plenty of B10 presidents were ****** on what transpired after they gained B10 membership. And there is a reason why Louisville is the only commuter school in a Power 5 conference, why they only recently became a member and why they likely will remain the only commuter school in a Power 5 conference.
 
drednot57 said:
Out of that group, even though it's another team from Texas, University of Houston is the best choice. Very large city (and TV market), the school has made major improvements to its football program, thus has the best potential upside of any remaining school as a candidate for expansion. UCF (in Orlando, FL) would be second best. If BYU can be talked out of (IOW, money's too good to pass up) no play on Sundays, then they would be a prime target; everyone has their price, even me.
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I guess I don't see the issue with BYU's Sunday requirements. None of the major sports have conference tournaments on Sundays anymore. And the conference should have control of dates for all non-televised tournaments. Is there something that I'm missing to make this a difficulty to give in to?
 
CyFan61 said:
And that was a mistake
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Why? Because they won a BCS bowl? There is no way of knowing if they would have ton that in the Big 12. They could have finished 8-4 in the Big 12 or better or worse. They got the Big East auto bid and capitalized on their chance to win a BCS game. But like WVU, I'd like to see how they did with a 9 game Big 12 schedule.

Same goes for basketball. Would they have gotten that overall number 1 seed in the Big 12? Maybe. Maybe not.

Louisville is closer than WVU. But WVU has a national appeal that Louisville doesn't have and will need a string of seasons like last season to match. WVU was the smarter choice all across the board, they only thing against them is location.
 
Clonehomer said:
I guess I don't see the issue with BYU's Sunday requirements. None of the major sports have conference tournaments on Sundays anymore. And the conference should have control of dates for all non-televised tournaments. Is there something that I'm missing to make this a difficulty to give in to?
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all those baptists in oklahoma and texas find mormons to be anti-christs, methinks
 
Clonehomer said:
I guess I don't see the issue with BYU's Sunday requirements. None of the major sports have conference tournaments on Sundays anymore. And the conference should have control of dates for all non-televised tournaments. Is there something that I'm missing to make this a difficulty to give in to?
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The playing on Sunday is only one of the sticking points. BYU has it's own TV deal with ESPN, and was not playing nice with the Big 12 in regards to TV deals.
 
megamanxzero35 said:
Why? Because they won a BCS bowl? There is no way of knowing if they would have ton that in the Big 12. They could have finished 8-4 in the Big 12 or better or worse. They got the Big East auto bid and capitalized on their chance to win a BCS game. But like WVU, I'd like to see how they did with a 9 game Big 12 schedule.

Same goes for basketball. Would they have gotten that overall number 1 seed in the Big 12? Maybe. Maybe not.

Louisville is closer than WVU. But WVU has a national appeal that Louisville doesn't have and will need a string of seasons like last season to match. WVU was the smarter choice all across the board, they only thing against them is location.
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I've got nothing against WVU - Louisville and WVU would have been the right additions for the Big 12.

Adding a small school with a small fanbase in a geographic area that the Big 12 already dominates was the mistake. No new markets, no new recruiting territory, barely any new fans to speak of... Just more competition within our own conference for that area.
 
adding both nati and the ville made sense to me for the wvu connection and their basketball tradition of excellence. i think some of us are a bit too haughty at times, particularly the land granters who survive on the skirts of ut, ou, and the like.
 
CyFan61 said:
I've got nothing against WVU - Louisville and WVU would have been the right additions for the Big 12.

Adding a small school with a small fanbase in a geographic area that the Big 12 already dominates was the mistake. No new markets, no new recruiting territory, barely any new fans to speak of... Just more competition within our own conference for that area.
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That school has also been extremely high profile in the national scene, and looks to be again this year - against Big 12 competition. That's not something Louisville can say. TCU has been kicking *** and taking names for quite awhile.

Also, what recruiting territory does Louisville open up? Having 2 guaranteed games in Texas every year is HUGE for ISU, and adding TCU allowed us to do that.
 
TXCyclones said:
Thank you for posting the link. It appears EIU is running a rather large deficit, as are 6 or 7 other teams in that Top 50 (notably: OSU, KU, WVU)? Even once you add in the top private schools in the top tier (USC, ND, Duke, Baylor, TCU, BYU, Stanford, Vandy, Northwestern) I think this all still shows we're in the top 64 teams any way you slice it, whether it be by revenue, attendance, strength, etc.

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Why does everyone assume the number in the new Div4 will be limited to 64? A football playoff will only include 8 at the most so it doesn't matter how many schools are in Div4. I would assume the Big 5 conferences would bring everyone and certain independents (ND & BYU) may be allowed in as well. Maybe I've missed the reason why it has to be limited to 64.
 
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