***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[dunar]

Now the Dude is saying FSU and Louisville as #11 and #12, pending the finalized tv contract. Clemson backed off when the B12 slowed them, as GT was interested... FWIW. I still don't believe it.

At least it's entertainment until kickoff!

 

[Judoka]

I just couldn't believe all the people that thought we should just go to the MAC or CUSA if the Big 12 disbanded instead of the Big East or what not.

No way we would have CPR, Hoiberg, Fennely here if that happened.

Exactly no one thought we should have gone to one of those conferences if the Big XII had fallen apart. People were worried that we would have had no choice but to end up there. Huge difference.

 

[Bamacyclone]

Yeah, that is his big news that he needed permission for. He has no credibility at all anymore.

That's it. I'm going back to getting my news from Bleacher Report. Just who can you trust anymore on the internet...

 

[Al_4_State]

Yeah, that is his big news that he needed permission for. He has no credibility at all anymore.

I would argue he never had any legitimate credibility in the first place. People on the WVU message board just said he did.

 

[Let's Go State]

I'll give the dude a shot here. If FSU joins the Big 12, I'll give him credit. But I may drop him from twitter until that happens.

 

[CLONECONES]

he's blown alot of smoke so far.... guess we'll see if any of it comes to reality

 

[dunar]

MHver3 and the Dude are going talking to each other today, double the rumors! Love those, "Lots going on right now."[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif] comments/tweets...[/FONT]

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Months ago when these yahoos started connecting their "names" and "ideas" with Greg Swaim on twitter was the moment I started to read for entertainment value only.

 

[CycloneErik]

I can't understand why The Dude keeps doing this. Everyone knows he's completely full of ****.

I'm thinking that these rumors are all he's got.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I say its FSU, Clemson, Louisville, and drum roll Pitt. There, now I am that guy I can sling the pooh as well.

If you're going to sling poo at least try to leave stains on the wall. As in the Big 12 is going with Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Virginia, and Louisville...

 

[ArgentCy]

With the season starting to wind down I though it was a good time to bump this thread with the new playoff news. Espn is reporting on the new playoff money distribution agreement. Six bowls in pool for college football semifinal games - ESPN

I think that I am about as confused as anyone as how the new playoff system and bowls will work. However, what I gleamed from this is that the playoff's are estimated at $500 mil / yr revenue. The 5 power conferences (Pac, SEC, Big XII, BIG, and ACC) with get even split share of the money. I know that some were expecting the ACC to be left out. However, with this "even" split it also matters how many teams get into the 6 bowls that will rotate the 2 semifinal games. One final wrinkle that may benefit ISU is that 10% of the payoff is supposed to be for academics and will only go to schools in the conference that meet a certain APR goal. I doubt this really ever comes to be a factor but who knows?

There is some speculation as to how this might affect expansion but in general it appears to stabilize the ACC and might hinder the Big XII's move to expand if there is any. Personally, I really think that the Big XII needs to expand by one or two to get back to twelve. I think that the 9 conference games, round robin, and no championship schedule is really hurting the conference this year. It adds 9 more guaranteed losses for league teams meaning less bowl teams eligible and lower rankings for most teams. Everyone knows that most of the rankings are based mostly on win/loss (just look at Louisville last week at #9 or teams like La Tech in the top 25). Plus it is really hard to schedule good competition in other major conferences like it has been debated with ISU/Iowa. How can the Big XII show dominance if none/few of the teams, especially the middle of the pack teams fighting for precious wins, are willing to schedule a BIG, SEC, ACC team?

I would like to see the conference add Louisville at the end of the season for the 2014 year and then wait and see if you can get an FSU later. Louisville has an athletic department already on par with ISU and other Big XII teams and a decent football team and very good basketball team. There should be plenty of good quality games still for the TV networks. You can also work out fairly balanced schedules with 11 teams and play most teams every year.

 

[MNCyGuy]

With the season starting to wind down I though it was a good time to bump this thread with the new playoff news. Espn is reporting on the new playoff money distribution agreement. Six bowls in pool for college football semifinal games - ESPN

I think that I am about as confused as anyone as how the new playoff system and bowls will work. However, what I gleamed from this is that the playoff's are estimated at $500 mil / yr revenue. The 5 power conferences (Pac, SEC, Big XII, BIG, and ACC) with get even split share of the money. I know that some were expecting the ACC to be left out. However, with this "even" split it also matters how many teams get into the 6 bowls that will rotate the 2 semifinal games. One final wrinkle that may benefit ISU is that 10% of the payoff is supposed to be for academics and will only go to schools in the conference that meet a certain APR goal. I doubt this really ever comes to be a factor but who knows?

There is some speculation as to how this might affect expansion but in general it appears to stabilize the ACC and might hinder the Big XII's move to expand if there is any. Personally, I really think that the Big XII needs to expand by one or two to get back to twelve. I think that the 9 conference games, round robin, and no championship schedule is really hurting the conference this year. It adds 9 more guaranteed losses for league teams meaning less bowl teams eligible and lower rankings for most teams. Everyone knows that most of the rankings are based mostly on win/loss (just look at Louisville last week at #9 or teams like La Tech in the top 25). Plus it is really hard to schedule good competition in other major conferences like it has been debated with ISU/Iowa. How can the Big XII show dominance if none/few of the teams, especially the middle of the pack teams fighting for precious wins, are willing to schedule a BIG, SEC, ACC team?

I would like to see the conference add Louisville at the end of the season for the 2014 year and then wait and see if you can get an FSU later. Louisville has an athletic department already on par with ISU and other Big XII teams and a decent football team and very good basketball team. There should be plenty of good quality games still for the TV networks. You can also work out fairly balanced schedules with 11 teams and play most teams every year.

9 conference games is just going to be a fact of life now, so that renders a lot of your argument moot. Really, the only argument you could make is that the lack of a championship game will keep Big 12 teams out of the 4-team playoff. I actually think it will be the opposite. Look at this year, the likely play-off scenario would be K-State, Oregon, Notre Dame, and Alabama. If a similar season played out next year you'd also have Ohio State making a claim to be in the mix. You're also going to have 1 or 2 one-loss SEC East teams hanging around. Assuming K-State gets past Texas, why would you want to saddle them with another chance to rack up a loss in a game with OU? The number of times that a quality playoff contender doesn't emerge from a round-robin Big 12 is way less than the number of times said contender would get screwed in a championship game, imo.

 

[CYTV]

Expansion of the BigXII is dead for years to come.

 

[JWIL4CY]

The only reason to expand is if we are adding schools that add value to the conference. Louisville does not. If Notre Dame ever becomes interested then that's a different story.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Let's just add Notre Dame and BYU and call it good.

 

[Boxerdaddy]

With 10 teams you don't need a Conference Championship because you have played everyone. As much as I agree with you on our strength of schedule being insanely tough, I do love this format and think that it helps tremendously with recruiting when you're guaranteed to play Texas and Oklahoma EVERY year.

As far as expansion, I think that got killed when Notre Dame agreed to join the ACC in all other sports. I believe the Big 12 was really hoping to land them.

 

[CYTV]

And we must play 9 conference games regardless of conference size, it's in the new TV contracts. Do we really want to make the two best teams play a 10th conference game and further reduce our chances at a national championship???

 

[scyclonekid]

Do you need a CCG with the new Big 12, SEC conference bowl game? The SEC has one does the Big 12 have to do the same?

 

[jdoggivjc]

With 10 teams you don't need a Conference Championship because you have played everyone. As much as I agree with you on our strength of schedule being insanely tough, I do love this format and think that it helps tremendously with recruiting when you're guaranteed to play Texas and Oklahoma EVERY year.

As far as expansion, I think that got killed when Notre Dame agreed to join the ACC in all other sports. I believe the Big 12 was really hoping to land them.

While this looks a lot less likely now that Alabama lost last week, we'll see if this remains the case if K-State falls out of the top 2 due to the lack of a championship game. Oregon is already expected to jump K-State if it wins out, and it seems like everyone outside of those associated with the Big 12 would rather see a ND-Oregon championship game.

 

[Mr Janny]

While this looks a lot less likely now that Alabama lost last week, we'll see if this remains the case if K-State falls out of the top 2 due to the lack of a championship game. Oregon is already expected to jump K-State if it wins out, and it seems like everyone outside of those associated with the Big 12 would rather see a ND-Oregon championship game.

the smart thing the BigXII did was schedule the last week of BigXII games on the same weekend as the Conference championship games. That will help with appearances, and reduce the effect of playing one less game than other teams.