***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

[Rods79]

Hell what if Mark Cuban offered $3 billion a year for the 40 best football programs to play in a league he creates. They leave their other teams in the conferences as they are now. You don't think the big boys would jump at that.

No...they won't. Reduction will not happen, especially into the private realm like in your example. Too much risk to lose their tax deductions, tax favored borrowing, and general tax arbitrage (already identified by the CBO and by default, at risk), for both the athletic department and the university. That is a bigger deal than what cash would result from a private league.

 

[isu83]

Calm down, this could actually be a good thing... let me explain..... Lots of stuff has happened since last time the ACC had to think about inviting WVU.

And it would likely mean that the B1G and/or SEC raided the ACC. That is much more preferable to them raiding our conference. If say UVA and UNC went to the B1G or NC State/Va Tech went to the SEC (or both), then it would likely open up the path for WVU to the ACC and that would be a good thing, IMO.

WVU has ZERO impact on the B12's stability, IMO. Texas, OU and KU are the only three that matter in the B12's future. If they are committed, then WVU is just a replaceable piece.

Geographically, it may make sense for the B12 to invite teams that would help us dominate the Central and Mountain time zones. It would possibly make WVU a little mad, but I can live with them in the ACC.

WV is a p5 team.

 

[Stormin]

FSU is academically ranked higher than ISU. Just sayin' ...

ISU is an AAU school. FSU is not. ISU is better academically tha FSU.

 

[acgclone]

WV is a p5 team.

Thanks Shirlock

 

[Cyched]

Thanks Shirlock

*Sherlock

 

[acgclone]

*Sherlock

Ha opps

 

[The_Gent]

Ha opps

*oops

 

[Clonehomer]

ISU is an AAU school. FSU is not. ISU is better academically tha FSU.

Well it means that they have a larger focus on research. Don't know that translates directly to being a better school. But for conferences like the Big10, research is what they are judging schools by.

 

[jdoggivjc]

ISU is an AAU school. FSU is not. ISU is better academically tha FSU.

So, by your logic...

ISU is an AAU school. Notre Dame is not. ISU is better academically than Notre Dame.

Logic fail.

 

[colbycheese]

FSU is academically ranked higher than ISU. Just sayin' ...

ISU is an AAU school. FSU is not. ISU is better academically tha FSU.

Well it means that they have a larger focus on research. Don't know that translates directly to being a better school. But for conferences like the Big10, research is what they are judging schools by.

If you read into methodologies of ranking universities, you'll realize that these ranking systems are kind of bunk. A slight switch of methodologies could result in vastly different rankings. Plus they are well know to be biased towards universities on the coasts, and areas with a higher cost of living. In addition, ISU and FSU are only 10ish positions apart in these rankings.

Also, the only thing I've really heard people associate with FSU is a strong teacher education program. ISU's peer in the state of Florida is the University of Florida, which is the state's land grant institution. Florida is way ahead of FSU academically, and right on par with ISU in terms of agriculture, engineering, and the sciences, with the exception that Florida has a hospital.

Frankly I was surprised FSU was even ranked that high, but I can tell you that they are not better academically than ISU.

 

[everyyard]

So, by your logic...

ISU is an AAU school. Notre Dame is not. ISU is better academically than Notre Dame.

Logic fail.

ISU has better graduate programs for sure.

 

[isu83]

WVU will never end up in the ACC because their academics do not stack up. If the Big 12 crumbles, WVU's only hope of staying in a P4 conference would be the SEC - but if the SEC actually wanted WVU they'd already be there.

Notre Dame is on ACC and they aren't aau accredited. So why wouldn't WV get in ACC.

 

[Gorm]

From what I've been reading there is some serious dislike towards WV from a lot of the ACC presidents.

 

[surly]

Wasn't it a women's college not terribly long ago?

Went coed in 1947.

 

[tim_redd]

Went coed in 1947.

Is 70 years a terribly long time?

 

[CYCLNST8]

Is 70 years a terribly long time?

 

[surly]

ISU is an AAU school. FSU is not. ISU is better academically tha FSU.[/QU haOTE]

USNews ranks FSU above ISU. And being in the AAU means you have had qualities that allow you in the club, rather like the local country club in that way. It, however, does not mean your school is academically superior. Ku is in the AAU - West Point is not. Notre Dame is not. Dartmouth is not. Tulane is not.

 

[HoopsTournament]

USNews ranks FSU above ISU. And being in the AAU means you have had qualities that allow you in the club, rather like the local country club in that way. It, however, does not mean your school is academically superior. Ku is in the AAU - West Point is not. Notre Dame is not. Dartmouth is not. Tulane is not.

Um, Tulane is.

 

[isu83]

Thanks Shirlock

No problem.

 

[laminak]

USNews ranks FSU above ISU. And being in the AAU means you have had qualities that allow you in the club, rather like the local country club in that way. It, however, does not mean your school is academically superior. Ku is in the AAU - West Point is not. Notre Dame is not. Dartmouth is not. Tulane is not.

US News has very questionable metrics such as the # of schools which mark your school down as a peer and the rejection rate of applicants--both junk metrics.