That's more than Soto or Betts brought.
He HAS to mean Suzuki OR Paredes otherwise that's a hard pass unless there's something else in the deal (Hader?)
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That's more than Soto or Betts brought.
He HAS to mean Suzuki OR Paredes otherwise that's a hard pass unless there's something else in the deal (Hader?)
Especially with Tucker only having 1 more year on his deal. So giving up those 3 players plus having to pay him a ton. No thanks.
Gut tells me deal is going to end up being Parades, Alcantara/Caissie, and a meh pitcher for Tucker. He will be the star player we’ve been lacking, but won’t be the final answer.
I love the Workman pick, for now. We wanted a LH utility infielder bench bat and he is just that.
I love the Workman pick, for now. We wanted a LH utility infielder bench bat and he is just that.
I could live with that. Smith and Shaw should be our future. Shaw can pull a Sandberg play third for a year before moving to second.
If you deal Bellinger Alcantara is the more likely keep as he can play center.
Have a feeling Bellinger will get traded before a possible deal for Tucker gets made. Kind of want to know what you are getting back for Bellinger before you move prospects in a Tucker deal plus you don't want a situation where the market for Bellinger softens because they know tou have to move him if Tucker is on the roster.
Not sure what I think about adding a rental play in Tucker who probably won't sign an extension and will be too expensive to sign after the season. The Cubs roster is not good enough to compete without adding some more big pieces. If Paredes is part of the deal who plays 3B? Still need a top end SP and closer and another middle of the lineup power hitter to get to that point. I hope the Cubs are going to be active but it needs to be calculated too. Don't give up a boatload for Tucker then go cheap to fill in the holes. Tucker is a guy you trade for if you are going to put a roster together that has a shot to compete.
Not sure what I think about adding a rental play in Tucker who probably won't sign an extension and will be too expensive to sign after the season. The Cubs roster is not good enough to compete without adding some more big pieces. If Paredes is part of the deal who plays 3B? Still need a top end SP and closer and another middle of the lineup power hitter to get to that point. I hope the Cubs are going to be active but it needs to be calculated too. Don't give up a boatload for Tucker then go cheap to fill in the holes. Tucker is a guy you trade for if you are going to put a roster together that has a shot to compete.
Not sure, either. The deal as @ISUCubswin does it looks good, but it seems like dealing for him in order to get better works better if Bellinger is also here.
Tucker is with Excel Agency, who Taillon and Swanson both are with as well, so my guess is in obtaining Tucker, the Cubs would attempt to work an extension out so he wasn’t just a rental.
I want Bellinger in this lineup as well, but just something to think about - trading Parades and Belli saves you $35 MM. Nico makes it $46 MM.
Tucker sucks up $16 MM, meaning you’d still be opening up $30 MM on top of the $35 MM you still have space for.
$75 MM to get a 1B catcher, front line starter, 2 RPs, and possibly still a bat.
I want Bellinger in this lineup as well, but just something to think about - trading Parades and Belli saves you $35 MM. Nico makes it $46 MM.
Tucker sucks up $16 MM, meaning you’d still be opening up $30 MM on top of the $35 MM you still have space for.
$75 MM to get a 1B catcher, front line starter, 2 RPs, and possibly still a bat.
That 300k bookkeeping screwed up on this year cost us in 2025 no way we risk getting close this year as the penalty intensifies when you repeat it.
Tucker is the big bat we need to build around for the future but Shaw and Smith need to be the long term guys we surround him with.
Feels like a Tucker trade is getting close if the rumor in the link below is true. Not sure I like Cam Smith being part of this deal but it was inevitable a top prospect would have to be included in a deal for him. If Paredes is also part of the deal acquiring a 3B moves to the top of the list for offseason needs unless they think Shaw is going to be able to play there immediately. Don't really want to settle for covering 3B with a combo of Mastrobuoni and a rule 5 pick Workman who hasn't played higher than AA yet.
Kyle Tucker to Cubs Trade Nearing Completion?
Kyle Tucker to Cubs Trade Nearing Completion?
Love the aggressiveness of getting Tucker but if it includes Cam Smith you better get an extension figured out.
Cam Smith has played 8 games above A ball. He may very well end up a good player but we need to tap the brakes there. Paredes was always a bad fit for Wrigley and he'll rake in Houston.
I assume they believe that Shaw is ready to be the everyday guy at 3B. Not 100% sure on that but that is the only thing that makes sense here.
I assume they believe that Shaw is ready to be the everyday guy at 3B. Not 100% sure on that but that is the only thing that makes sense here.
I get it, but Tucker is a rental for a team that didn't make the playoffs last year. I have zero issue moving Smith if you can get an extension done with Tucker. But man I hate giving up too much for a guy who is only here a year.
Not only that even if he is a 1 year rental you have to go all in and fill in the pieces of the roster to make this a competive playoff team. You lose one of your top prospects just to miss the playoffs with Tucker and he walks for essentially nothing then this is a stupid trade to make.
If they get Tucker then Bellinger has to be traded and you may as well trade Nico too. Have to get another SP and find a solution for 3B else trading for Tucker while giving up one of your best prospects was for nothing.
Obviously it'd be ideal to sign Tucker long term, but reality is I think that's just the price you have to pay here. Smith's potential is great, but fans are also probably over valuing 32 games of minor league ball. He's a higher risk, higher reward option for Houston and that's okay. Cubs are dealing from a position of depth as they have lots of good bats in the upper levels of MiLB.
I'd imagine at 3B Shaw is probably the primary option and Workman being in the mix as well. The FA market for 3B is dire outside of Bregman and I'd say that's a near zero chance for the Cubs.
Honestly Tucker for Paredes/Smith seems like a pretty fair deal where both fanbases are going to think they got the slightly worse end of it. Tucker really is underrated. His impact offensively can transform our lineup and also won a Gold Glove in 2022. So your outfield defense will have Happ (3 straight gold gloves), PCA (he'll probably be the best defensive OF in baseball this year) and Tucker. Then Swanson/Hoerner up the middle, both gold glove winners.
I'd imagine at 3B Shaw is probably the primary option and Workman being in the mix as well. The FA market for 3B is dire outside of Bregman and I'd say that's a near zero chance for the Cubs.
Honestly Tucker for Paredes/Smith seems like a pretty fair deal where both fanbases are going to think they got the slightly worse end of it. Tucker really is underrated. His impact offensively can transform our lineup and also won a Gold Glove in 2022. So your outfield defense will have Happ (3 straight gold gloves), PCA (he'll probably be the best defensive OF in baseball this year) and Tucker. Then Swanson/Hoerner up the middle, both gold glove winners.
Yeah I don't see the Cubs in the mix to resign Tucker with the price he would likely demand especially since they haven't shown any desire to get in on the top free agents recently that come with that kind of price tag. My concern is they haven't shown anything to make me believe that if they were to acquire Tucker they would then go out and spend to make the rest of the roster competitive enough to justify trading this kind of capital away for a 1 year rental. Getting Tucker you would think would signal the Cubs have a plan to compete in 2025 and not just do enough to MAYBE make the playoffs as a wild card like they have the last 2 years.
The trades and free agent signings that would follow if they do get Tucker will be telling on what their goal is for 2025. If this is a pure cost move for just 2025 that maybe gives fans some hope by giving us something shiny to look at then why pull of a trade like this. Tucker is set to make $16.7 mil this year. Lets assume Paredes is part of the deal and Bellinger is traded in another deal. Paredes is set to make about $6.3 mil this year so that trade adds just about $10.5 mil to the payroll. I they can get someone to take all of Bellinger's $27.5 mil which it's possible the Cubs may have to eat some if it and we don't know what possible contract may come back to the Cubs in a deal too at max the Cubs then saved $17 mil between the 2 deals. Nico is on the books for $11.5 mil, hard to project what comes back in a deal with him if it is a MLB contract or not but they likely save some payroll by making 2 or 3 trades so how do they plan to use that on top of the existing money they still have banked from the other offseason departures? Going the cheap route they have done recently is not going to move the needle much with the win projections.
The trades and free agent signings that would follow if they do get Tucker will be telling on what their goal is for 2025. If this is a pure cost move for just 2025 that maybe gives fans some hope by giving us something shiny to look at then why pull of a trade like this. Tucker is set to make $16.7 mil this year. Lets assume Paredes is part of the deal and Bellinger is traded in another deal. Paredes is set to make about $6.3 mil this year so that trade adds just about $10.5 mil to the payroll. I they can get someone to take all of Bellinger's $27.5 mil which it's possible the Cubs may have to eat some if it and we don't know what possible contract may come back to the Cubs in a deal too at max the Cubs then saved $17 mil between the 2 deals. Nico is on the books for $11.5 mil, hard to project what comes back in a deal with him if it is a MLB contract or not but they likely save some payroll by making 2 or 3 trades so how do they plan to use that on top of the existing money they still have banked from the other offseason departures? Going the cheap route they have done recently is not going to move the needle much with the win projections.
Shaw at second and Smith at third would be the ideal situation for the future. Just need to find a way to keep them both. If we can somehow make Caissie the prospect we’d be sitting pretty good. Alcantara can play all three spots and be a solid 4th OF through 2026 when Happ expires
I get that there is more depth in the, but Caissie is definitively the better prospect right now. Why give more prospect value away than you have too.
Crazy hypothetical scenario but what if the Cubs acquire Tucker and trade away Bellinger and Hoerner. I'm guessing they maybe get some MLB ready players from a trade involving Bellinger or Hoerner but without knowing who could come back in a trade how about doing what Ken Rosenthal has hinted and spend like a big market team should and sign Alec Bregman to play 3B? Does this roster look like one that could compete?
C: Amaya/veteran signing
1B: Busch
2B: Shaw (or some veteran as a placeholder to start the season)
SS: Swanson
3B: Bregman
LF: Happ
CF: PCA
RF: Tucker
DH: Suzuki
Bench: Caissie, Vazquez, Workman? maybe some other veteran signing or someone acquired in a trade?
Rotation: Steele, Shota, Taillon, Boyd, SP acquired in a trade or signing
Bullpen: this is hard to project but have to think a RP and closer are still on the shopping list to add to the usual suspects already on the roster.
That lineup has some potential, finally get some middle of the lineup pop with Tucker and Bregman and can use Suzuki more in that 5 or 6 spot in the order where he could thrive. Curious to see if they try PCA at leadoff or leave Happ there. I'm not expecting them to sign Bregman but they sure should look at it if they get Tucker and want to be serious about competing in 2025.
C: Amaya/veteran signing
1B: Busch
2B: Shaw (or some veteran as a placeholder to start the season)
SS: Swanson
3B: Bregman
LF: Happ
CF: PCA
RF: Tucker
DH: Suzuki
Bench: Caissie, Vazquez, Workman? maybe some other veteran signing or someone acquired in a trade?
Rotation: Steele, Shota, Taillon, Boyd, SP acquired in a trade or signing
Bullpen: this is hard to project but have to think a RP and closer are still on the shopping list to add to the usual suspects already on the roster.
That lineup has some potential, finally get some middle of the lineup pop with Tucker and Bregman and can use Suzuki more in that 5 or 6 spot in the order where he could thrive. Curious to see if they try PCA at leadoff or leave Happ there. I'm not expecting them to sign Bregman but they sure should look at it if they get Tucker and want to be serious about competing in 2025.
