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Fear porn is back! COVID 19 is here forever... Time to realize we have to move on with life. Those who are at risk, shouldn't go. Those of us who are healthy, save the economy from depression! Bill Maher had a great video on this exact topic. This is young and healthy people's time to shine
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Fear porn is back! COVID 19 is here forever... Time to realize we have to move on with life. Those who are at risk, shouldn't go. Those of us who are healthy, save the economy from depression! Bill Maher had a great video on this exact topic. This is young and healthy people's time to shine

If we would all wear masks when we go places then I would agree, but doing nothing and hoping is not a plan, it is not even a "pl..."
 
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Here's an example on a bigger scale. Florida State made $160M in 2018. $56M of that was donations while rights/licensing (i/e: TV contracts) brought in $46M. That leaves $58M in other revenue. We know March madness is some of that but that revenue is gone, we know conference MBB revenue is gone as well.. Plus, our alumni are extremely frugal relative to other geographic areas of the country.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/s...cal-year-finance-numbers-released/1985306001/

We HAVE to allow some fans. ISU athletics will go belly up if we don't. It's facinating people don't get that. If you don't like it, stay home. Wash your hands and wear a mask in the community. I'll have a newborn come football season and will be watching on TV. But pull your head out of the sand if you want the world to continue to stay closed.

Unless the FED is going to bailout athletic departments, we are having some fans
 

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i don’t think we know if the reopening has caused less hospitalizations yet. Places like Texas and Florida are getting close to bad situations based on hospital availability.

Iowa started re-opening on May 1 and gradually got to the point of pretty much being back to normal by the end of May. Not sure where hospital capacity is at in Iowa today.
 

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A month ago when the state reopened and our numbers were low, I would have agreed with you. At this point, we are the pariahs in the state of Iowa, for the rate of new infections. I don't know why anyone would want to come to the city growing sixth fastest in the nation.



No. In the past three days, globally we've seen the largest one-day spike in new infections. Ames has registered sixth on the fastest-rising cities in the US for infection rates. I am incredibly familiar with the Iowa healthcare climate (and the climate nationwide) and the effect that quarantine have on them - but massive illnesses are worse than the effects of quarantine on the economy. Toronto's experience with SARS is a good micro example - here's an actual case study: LINK This isn't politically slanted, this isn't "but I really want or don't want X" - this is a scientific case study and data analysis.

Everyone wants sports and entertainment, everyone wants things to be back to normal. But it's not, and ignoring it and pretending it doesn't happen isn't helping at all.


COVID cases don't matter. Hospitalizations, patients admitted, LTC facility outbreaks matter. Staying home and banning large gatherings was intended to not overwhelm the healthcare system. We accomplished that. Look at the data. We have incredible capacity in Iowa for patients.

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https://coronavirus.iowa.gov/pages/rmcc-data
 

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Iowa started re-opening on May 1 and gradually got to the point of pretty much being back to normal by the end of May. Not sure where hospital capacity is at in Iowa today.

I wouldn't describe the current state of society as "back to normal". A large percentage of the population isn't going to public gathering places. A lot of people are still working from home that didn't previously. Lifting restrictions hasn't changed how people are behaving.
 
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I guarantee that if iowa, Nebraska and other Midwest schools have fans in the stands, ISU is going to as well no matter what the county board says. They have no power over what ISU does. I would bet money that Pollard comes out with a statement tomorrow saying that they are going to go ahead with the 30k plan until the situation requires them to do otherwise.


I would bet good money that Pollard isn't going to come out and say that right now. The only comment I can see him making is something along the lines of "this is a challenging situation that is constantly changing and we have plans in place to deal with multiple scenarios".

I imagine the suggestions made by the county board aren'tt being ignored by Iowa State but in the long run the Big 12 will probably be a big driver in the decision. The town to keep an eye on is Austin, TX. LOL just think, some of ya'll though we were going to see a full stadium this year....
 

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Only reason classes are being held is because no one would sign up for the same tuition but online classes. So it's out of a survival necessity they are having in person classes. Unfortunately, it's the exact same situation for the athletics. Make or break.

For the P5 schools, having fans in the stands is not "make or break". They can and will get by on TV revenue.
 

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You keep framing this in terms of personal risk, when this is about community risk. When someone at low risk attends the game and gets infected, they may not die or be seriously affected, but when they go to other places, essential places like the grocery store, people who didnt attend the game are affected by those poor choices. You're looking at things in an inherently selfish way.

What 'can't be argued' is that the health experts are saying having fans is a bad idea. The science is pretty clear on this.

Regardless of my personal opinion on this issue, do you really believe there will be many people who have not been exposed to the virus multiple times during the 8 months it's been in the US (before September)? By the time football hits I would imagine everyone that's set foot outside their home has come in contact with it many times.
 

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I really see this is as non-news. They are a health agency-- of course they are going to recommend against fans. There's no doubt that's the safest route. I'm sure this isn't anything the University didn't already know.

Now it's up to the University to decide how much risk they're willing to take relevant to the lasting ramifications of not having fans in the stadium.
 

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If we would all wear masks when we go places then I would agree, but doing nothing and hoping is not a plan, it is not even a "pl..."

Nobody says do nothing. Iowa still has tons of safety procedures and the world is forever changed by COVID. I'm just a realist. I acknowledge my privilege being able to keep my white collar job and stay safe in my suburban home. The longer we cancel and stay closed, the poorest communities will hurt. I care about service employees who need to have a job to keep their family fed and a roof over their heads. We can't hand out unemployment benefits forever. Life has to go on. This was never about stay in your house until a vaccine is found.

THERE IS NO BINARY ACTION THAT WILL STOP COVID. Yes, having 30K people at a football game is a risk. But more than 30K people will go into the Waukee Hy-Vee between now and football season with minimal cleaning. Hy-Vee got rid of at-risk population hours. Where is the outrage about letting those at risk shop at the same time as healthier populations.
 

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You do realize that buying food is essential and football is just a frivolous game, right? Likewise with protesting people literally being murdered vs, again, a ******* game. And by the way, please do tell me what hyvee is cramming in tens of thousands of people at a time, i'd love to see that.

Absolutely hilarious that you call me selfish for wanting the recommendations of health officials to be followed when you want to put people's health in danger just so you can plant your ass in a stadium for a few hours. Its selfish people like you that are making our country the laughingstock of the world in handling this.

It's not a "they did this so I should get to do this" situation, it's about evaluating how those huge gatherings impacted the spread . The protest are the single biggest thing we should be looking in regard to opening up. It's the best test we've had so far. They were literally an unexpected trial run for mass gatherings. IF we can look at this objectively, there could be a lot to learn from them.
 

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Nobody says do nothing. Iowa still has tons of safety procedures and the world is forever changed by COVID. I'm just a realist. I acknowledge my privilege being able to keep my white collar job and stay safe in my suburban home. The longer we cancel and stay closed, the poorest communities will hurt. I care about service employees who need to have a job to keep their family fed and a roof over their heads. We can't hand out unemployment benefits forever. Life has to go on. This was never about stay in your house until a vaccine is found.

THERE IS NO BINARY ACTION THAT WILL STOP COVID. Yes, having 30K people at a football game is a risk. But more than 30K people will go into the Waukee Hy-Vee between now and football season with minimal cleaning. Hy-Vee got rid of at-risk population hours. Where is the outrage about letting those at risk shop at the same time as healthier populations.

Sir, this is an Arby's.
 

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Nobody says do nothing. Iowa still has tons of safety procedures and the world is forever changed by COVID. I'm just a realist. I acknowledge my privilege being able to keep my white collar job and stay safe in my suburban home. The longer we cancel and stay closed, the poorest communities will hurt. I care about service employees who need to have a job to keep their family fed and a roof over their heads. We can't hand out unemployment benefits forever. Life has to go on. This was never about stay in your house until a vaccine is found.

THERE IS NO BINARY ACTION THAT WILL STOP COVID. Yes, having 30K people at a football game is a risk. But more than 30K people will go into the Waukee Hy-Vee between now and football season with minimal cleaning. Hy-Vee got rid of at-risk population hours. Where is the outrage about letting those at risk shop at the same time as healthier populations.

Maybe ask the “poorest communities” what they want rather than assuming. for ***** sake we are 3 months in. That’s not letting unemployment go on forever. It seems like you want to have your safety but if you want to do something you’ll sacrifice someone else’s.
 

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Here's an example on a bigger scale. Florida State made $160M in 2018. $56M of that was donations while rights/licensing (i/e: TV contracts) brought in $46M. That leaves $58M in other revenue. We know March madness is some of that but that revenue is gone, we know conference MBB revenue is gone as well.. Plus, our alumni are extremely frugal relative to other geographic areas of the country.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/s...cal-year-finance-numbers-released/1985306001/

We HAVE to allow some fans. ISU athletics will go belly up if we don't. It's facinating people don't get that. If you don't like it, stay home. Wash your hands and wear a mask in the community. I'll have a newborn come football season and will be watching on TV. But pull your head out of the sand if you want the world to continue to stay closed.

Unless the FED is going to bailout athletic departments, we are having some fans

So concerns about outbreaks of a potentially deadly disease are fear porn, but claiming that a single year without fans will cause the entire athletics department to go belly up isn't?? Give me a ******* break.
 
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Regardless of my personal opinion on this issue, do you really believe there will be many people who have not been exposed to the virus multiple times during the 8 months it's been in the US (before September)? By the time football hits I would imagine everyone that's set foot outside their home has come in contact with it many times.

and? What does that mean?