Milwaukee Mcdermott sighting

[Frak]

McD is a very good coach, he has coached brackins to a first team All Big 12 selection already. He is also very good at X and O's. Hes just had a mess of players leaving. I am really looking forward to this season and I really like Mcdermott.

We will run more uptempo especially now that we have more athletic players who are capable of running it. When your a good coach like Mcdermott you use what you got and to give us the best chance of winning last year he had to slow it down. Its not rocket science is coaching 101

I don't know that you can attribute GMac's lack of success totally to attrition. IMO he has done a poor job of evaluating and developing (and retaining) guards. GMac has yet to have a team with an established, solid PG. And I don't expect that to change this season. Four years with a liability at PG is too many.

 

[JP4CY]

Why does every thread have to turn into this crap?

Well being decisive over the coach is something that shows that people care. Honestly, I'd rather have fans argue over points that are good/bad than people sitting on their hands when their team is .500 when you think they are capable of being achieving more. I personally love the debates because it opens up my eyes to other sides of it.
I think people's thoughts on my opinion in this thread are that I am wrong, but to me its still OK to think what I do because I still support our team. I like reading about the differences in people's perspectives, it ends up making great talk and debates during tailgate time.

 

[basketball777]

I don't think HB was at any tournements in Milwaukee, but a lot of AAU teams from Iowa were...

 

[CycoCyclone]

At this point, we shouldn't be surprised.

I am a firm believer that a thread about actor Dermot Mulroney would soon end up in a good coach/bad coach debate concerning Coach McDermott.

AND FIRE JAMIE POLLARD !!!

 

[swarthmoreCY]

You act as though McDermott had no control over who has been on his roster over the last three years.

I can see the bottom line for people like you...if things go well it will be because of McDermott...and if things don't go well it will be the fault of the players, the referee, or whatever convenient excuse you can find.

Resorting to moving the bar? First it was he does not develop most of his players to Brackin's level, now we are talking about recruiting. When did I suggest he had no control over recruiting? As for my take on recruiting, we have been over this few times already (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/58225-dykstra-3.html#post1071809), but ...

You can't have it both ways

...if you are going to give credit for a Brister, you have to give credit for a Brackins.

I can see the bottom line for people like you...if things go poorly it will only be because of McDermott, and other coaches would be guaranteed to do better...and if things go well it will be we got out-rebounded, the pace is too slow, we lost this one game to team x,whatever convenient excuse you can find.

 

[TedKumsher]

On a three game sample size, one game is a trend.

You know your school has a big Engineering college when . . .

 

[cyclonenum1]

Thanks for pointing that out...I realize basketball fundamentals can be taught at any level.

Maybe you could share some things you find interesting about basketball fundamentals. Maybe share some of your basketball credentials as well; thanks for the input in advance.

Most solid HS coaches work on closeouts with their kids...keeping their bodies under control, their feet on the ground, and their hands high. I was just stating that I do not view this as evidence of GM being a great coach.

I've played, done some coaching, and been around major college coaches to see what they do in preparing for a game...specifically in the film room. Maybe you can share some of your credentials...beyond having some sort of contact with the coaching staff / team.

 

[Cydkar]

Most solid HS coaches work on closeouts with their kids...keeping their bodies under control, their feet on the ground, and their hands high. I was just stating that I do not view this as evidence of GM being a great coach.

I've played, done some coaching, and been around major college coaches to see what they do in preparing for a game...specifically in the film room. Maybe you can share some of your credentials...beyond having some sort of contact with the coaching staff / team.

Maybe credentials can be exchanged via. PM. :smile:

 

[cyclonenum1]

Resorting to moving the bar? First it was he does not develop most of his players to Brackin's level, now we are talking about recruiting. When did I suggest he had no control over recruiting? As for my take on recruiting, we have been over this few times already (http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/58225-dykstra-3.html#post1071809), but ...

...if you are going to give credit for a Brister, you have to give credit for a Brackins.

I can see the bottom line for people like you...if things go poorly it will only be because of McDermott, and other coaches would be guaranteed to do better...and if things go well it will be we got out-rebounded, the pace is too slow, we lost this one game to team x,whatever convenient excuse you can find.

This post is barely decipherable.

I am moving no bars. It is the job of a coach in college to both recruit and develop players (among other things).

I am quite consistent. I understand that GM is in control of this program and he is entering his fourth season in that position. I give credit when it is due...unfortunately there has not been a lot of credit to go around because not many positive things have happened under his watch (Brackins clearly is one). I also hold him responsible when it does not go well...unfortunately there have been many more examples accrue to this side of the ledger (recruiting misses, players leaving, poor game performances, no upsets, poor conference record, loss of a strong home court advantage, etc.).

I'm not sure what to make of your last paragraph. The bottom line is that if we are winning I will not care what the pace of the game is or what the internal stats of the game were. If we win and it is 50-48 I will be happy...now I don't think that is realistic to think you can win a lot of Big 12 games like this but if we can...great. If we get outrebounded 50-30 and win I will be happy...again, it is unlikely that you win many games getting outrebounded by a great margin but if you can...great.

As for excuses, why would I make excuses if we are winning? The rampant excuse making is the pervue of those that are still blindly following McDermott without question because "no one wants to win more than Coach Mac" or "Coach Mac has forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know".

Actually, if anyone has moved the bar it is the GM die-hards that are "1000%" in his camp despite what his results have been. I think those people have re-defined success at ISU at a lower level than it was when he was hired.

 

[kg-cyclone]

Most solid HS coaches work on closeouts with their kids...keeping their bodies under control, their feet on the ground, and their hands high. I was just stating that I do not view this as evidence of GM being a great coach.

I've played, done some coaching, and been around major college coaches to see what they do in preparing for a game...specifically in the film room. Maybe you can share some of your credentials...beyond having some sort of contact with the coaching staff / team.

I wasn't stating that it was evidence of anything...I found it interesting that if you listen for it...you could hear if they were doing it.

Maybe you could help me with something...

After Num1 has a textbook close out....he has his hands up, feet shoulder width apart, knees are bent and feet still moving to avoid standing flat footed. What should be Num1's very next move if the ballhandler puts it on the floor? (Lets say you closed out on the wing and offense is trying to penetrate baseline on the right side of the floor).

Please be specific, I'm trying to learn....Thanks.

 

[mplscyclone]

I wasn't stating that it was evidence of anything...I found it interesting that if you listen for it...you could hear if they were doing it.

Maybe you could help me with something...

After Num1 has a textbook close out....he has his hands up, feet shoulder width apart, knees are bent and feet still moving to avoid standing flat footed. What should be Num1's very next move if the ballhandler puts it on the floor? (Lets say you closed out on the wing and offense is trying to penetrate baseline on the right side of the floor).

Please be specific, I'm trying to learn....Thanks.

Well, if it was our squad from last year, we would not have quick enough feet and the player would get the foul and 1....

Anyhow, I will jump in and say teaching the fundamentals are important. In youth basketball, coaches are often times to caught up in it all that they do not teach fundamentals to the youth. There's a reason why there aren't many good shooters and passers left, and why guards carry and travel all the time (even though it doesn't get called that often).

 

[kg-cyclone]

Well, if it was our squad from last year, we would not have quick enough feet and the player would get the foul and 1....

Anyhow, I will jump in and say teaching the fundamentals are important. In youth basketball, coaches are often times to caught up in it all that they do not teach fundamentals to the youth. There's a reason why there aren't many good shooters and passers left, and why guards carry and travel all the time (even though it doesn't get called that often).

The one that bothers me the most is when they set their feet after the catch...I have no idea, why that's not a travel.

 

[mplscyclone]

The one that bothers me the most is when they set their feet after the catch...I have no idea, why that's not a travel.

That's what I was mostly referring to. It annoys me too, but I can get over it when my own guys are doing it also....

 

[JP4CY]

As for excuses, why would I make excuses if we are winning? The rampant excuse making is the pervue of those that are still blindly following McDermott without question because "no one wants to win more than Coach Mac" or "Coach Mac has forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know".

Actually, if anyone has moved the bar it is the GM die-hards that are "1000%" in his camp despite what his results have been. I think those people have re-defined success at ISU at a lower level than it was when he was hired.

I think for a lot of us fans thats a tough thing that we don't get. I think a lot of our home victories that we used to have came with teams that might have had similar talent to the teams we have now. Its tough to swallow losing home games to teams that we would normally be on cruise control against in Hilton with 10 minutes left in the 2nd half. I hope that doesn't end up lowering the bar because I think we can be a very special basketball school.
We have a tremendous home court advantage, we are smart fans, we travel pretty well sometimes, and we'll pack our own place to the rafters when its 0 degrees out. I think we're giving plenty of support, now its time to see it pay off a little more with McDermott.

 

[CycloneErik]

I think for a lot of us fans thats a tough thing that we don't get. I think a lot of our home victories that we used to have came with teams that might have had similar talent to the teams we have now. Its tough to swallow losing home games to teams that we would normally be on cruise control against in Hilton with 10 minutes left in the 2nd half. I hope that doesn't end up lowering the bar because I think we can be a very special basketball school.
We have a tremendous home court advantage, we are smart fans, we travel pretty well sometimes, and we'll pack our own place to the rafters when its 0 degrees out. I think we're giving plenty of support, now its time to see it pay off a little more with McDermott.

Plus a million billion, and I think we'll see it this year.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

This post is barely decipherable.

Is this a frequent issue for you?

As for excuses, why would I make excuses if we are winning? The rampant excuse making is the pervue of those that are still blindly following McDermott without question because "no one wants to win more than Coach Mac" or "Coach Mac has forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know".

Actually, if anyone has moved the bar it is the GM die-hards that are "1000%" in his camp despite what his results have been. I think those people have re-defined success at ISU at a lower level than it was when he was hired.

It is just as crazy to think anyone would just "blindly" follow GMcD. However, I'll give you credit for being consistently cursory in your analysis.
You are very found of manufacturing this nonsensical theory that people defend McD because "no one wants to win more than Coach Mac" or "Coach Mac has forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know". Posts can lose all of their value when unbalanced and exaggerated- not to mention when dependent on fallacious arguments, like moving the bar.
I am more or less as for/against McD as I was when he was hired; when there becomes evidence that the best thing for ISU at the current time is to have a coaching change, I will revise my position.

 

[cyclonenum1]

Is this a frequent issue for you?

It is just as crazy to think anyone would just "blindly" follow GMcD. However, I'll give you credit for being consistently cursory in your analysis.
You are very found of manufacturing this nonsensical theory that people defend McD because "no one wants to win more than Coach Mac" or "Coach Mac has forgotten more basketball than most people will ever know". Posts can lose all of their value when unbalanced and exaggerated- not to mention when dependent on fallacious arguments, like moving the bar.
I am more or less as for/against McD as I was when he was hired; when there becomes evidence that the best thing for ISU at the current time is to have a coaching change, I will revise my position.

Nonsensical = Your Posts.

I have seen the two quotes highlighted above many times on this board in the arguments for McDermott by those that blindly (IMHO) support him.

You don't think the bar has moved? Go back to the day that McDermott was hired. Do you think on that day that success would have been defined as three losing seasons but by year four we might have a team that can possibly make the postseason if no one gets hurt and all our new guys are as good as their billing? I don't think so. Yet today that is what most would define as success. Heck, I'll bet a lot of people on this board would define success as winning season this year.

 

[heitclone]

Nonsensical = Your Posts.

I have seen the two quotes highlighted above many times on this board in the arguments for McDermott by those that blindly (IMHO) support him.

You don't think the bar has moved? Go back to the day that McDermott was hired. Do you think on that day that success would have been defined as three losing seasons but by year four we might have a team that can possibly make the postseason if no one gets hurt and all our new guys are as good as their billing? I don't think so. Yet today that is what most would define as success. Heck, I'll bet a lot of people on this board would define success as winning season this year.

McDermott isn't responsible for the lowering of the bar, that falls squarely on the shoulders of Wayne Morgan. Hands down the worst decision in recent ISU basketball history.

 

[JP4CY]

McDermott isn't responsible for the lowering of the bar, that falls squarely on the shoulders of Wayne Morgan. Hands down the worst decision in recent ISU basketball history.

I'm not the world's hugest Morgan fan but an NIT final four and losing to a home team basically, and an NCAA 2nd round loss to the eventual national champs isn't all that bad. I don't think the bar has raised at all since then, has it? Take away who we have coming in for players this year and without them playing a game, and just look at the records and results.

 

[delt4cy]

The worst decisions/happenings in recent ISU bball history have been A.) some schitzstik in Missouri sending pics of Eustachy to the Rag. & B.) Wesley Johnson leaving.