From the way I read it that's what SpokaneCy did he stopped it before it even became an issue.
But he acted like it was something easy to misunderstand. It really wasn’t.
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From the way I read it that's what SpokaneCy did he stopped it before it even became an issue.
I agree with all of those concerns except for one. If a pregnant woman who I am close to and comfortable with offers to let me feel their clothed abdomen as their baby kicks I will not hesitate if she really means it. Despite how most babies are created and the route through which most of them are delivered there is nothing sexual about a woman carrying a baby. If a woman is comfortable with someone meeting their child early and someone else in the office is uncomfortable with that, that is a "you" problem. Would we entertain a complaint by an employee who was uncomfortable because that same woman let a man in the office hold her baby after delivery?I had a female coworker once tell me to feel the baby kick, I felt weird and said no thanks. This woman had no qualms with anything though. I have heard women talk about things like boobs getting bigger and other women things around me, laugh and ask what I think. My go to is, I'm not touching that subject.
I'm getting the feeling either I'm the only one who has been in some odd settings or only one willing to admit it. I've had probably more female co-workers than make over the years (one I was one of 20 when the other male was fired) so maybe that's it.
Carvers, I am with you that I hope no woman or person has to go through what you mentioned. I hope we keep advancing as a society.
Rule of thumb: Invited? You can accept or decline. Not invited? Hands off, whether you're male OR female. A pregnant belly is NOT an automatic invitation to touch.I agree with all of those concerns except for one. If a pregnant woman who I am close to and comfortable with offers to let me feel their clothed abdomen as their baby kicks I will not hesitate if she really means it. Despite how most babies are created and the route through which most of them are delivered there is nothing sexual about a woman carrying a baby. If a woman is comfortable with someone meeting their child early and someone else in the office is uncomfortable with that, that is a "you" problem.
Definitely a me problem. Just seemed off to me, probably from the incident with my secretary. Overly cautiousI agree with all of those concerns except for one. If a pregnant woman who I am close to and comfortable with offers to let me feel their clothed abdomen as their baby kicks I will not hesitate if she really means it. Despite how most babies are created and the route through which most of them are delivered there is nothing sexual about a woman carrying a baby. If a woman is comfortable with someone meeting their child early and someone else in the office is uncomfortable with that, that is a "you" problem.
While not a sexual thing, I do think it is a huge problem that many people think that just because a woman is pregnant their abdomen becomes public property and they can touch it without an invitation.
Yes, I added more as you were replying...Rule of thumb: Invited? You can accept or decline. Not invited? Hands off, whether you're male OR female. A pregnant belly is NOT an automatic invitation to touch.![]()
Is calling the "lactation station" wrong?I made a joke to a very close friend at my last job about her going to the "Milking Room" when she was pumping for her last child. I would not make that joke with any of the other ladies who used the Lactation room.
I had no idea this was a thing until my wife got pregnant...why are you touching my wife? Not only that, but people stare like the baby's head is sticking out of her bellybutton or something. Folks are odd.I agree with all of those concerns except for one. If a pregnant woman who I am close to and comfortable with offers to let me feel their clothed abdomen as their baby kicks I will not hesitate if she really means it. Despite how most babies are created and the route through which most of them are delivered there is nothing sexual about a woman carrying a baby. If a woman is comfortable with someone meeting their child early and someone else in the office is uncomfortable with that, that is a "you" problem. Would we entertain a complaint by an employee who was uncomfortable because that same woman let a man in the office hold her baby after delivery?
While not a sexual thing, I do think it is a huge problem that many people think that just because a woman is pregnant their abdomen becomes public property and they can touch it without an invitation.
I didn't mean you, I meant if someone else is uncomfortable with someone touching a pregnant woman's abdomen to feel the baby when invited they have issues. This is not a sexually inappropriate situation.Definitely a me problem. Just seemed off to me, probably from the incident with my secretary. Overly cautious
Is calling the "lactation station" wrong?
Rule of thumb: Invited? You can accept or decline. Not invited? Hands off, whether you're male OR female. A pregnant belly is NOT an automatic invitation to touch.![]()
Oh, no prob. And btw, one time when asked by a pregnant woman if I thought her boobs were bigger from pregnancy, I did offer to check. It was my wife, figure if my wife even says no, it probably wouldn't be right in the officeI didn't mean you, I meant if someone else is uncomfortable with someone touching a pregnant woman's abdomen to feel the baby when invited they have issues. This is not a sexually inappropriate situation.
I don't know, but offering "to help" is. Had that happen too.
And if someone else in the office was uncomfortable with those other invited to touch examples happening, they would have a legitimate beef because in our society touching a woman's breasts or a man's genitalia is generally considered sexual. I was strictly talking about the pregnant abdomen/kicking baby situation.I'm like BC in that even if invited, I'd probably still be a bit weirded out at feeling a preg coworker's belly. But maybe it's because I know I would hate that myself.
In any case, there's probably a line on the "invited to touch" too - like if a woman says "grab my boobs, they're huge today!" or a male coworker invites touching on something else that is "huge" today![]()
Is calling the "lactation station" wrong?
I didn't mean you, I meant if someone else is uncomfortable with someone touching a pregnant woman's abdomen to feel the baby when invited they have issues. This is not a sexually inappropriate situation.
I'm like BC in that even if invited, I'd probably still be a bit weirded out at feeling a preg coworker's belly. But maybe it's because I know I would hate that myself.
In any case, there's probably a line on the "invited to touch" too - like if a woman says "grab my boobs, they're huge today!" or a male coworker invites touching on something else that is "huge" today![]()
You would be surprised how sexually inappropriate someone can make it when their hand wanders around a large belly and it's close proximity to other parts. Why is anyone touching a co-worker beyond a handshake?
And if someone else in the office was uncomfortable with those other invited to touch examples happening, they would have a legitimate beef because in our society touching a woman's breasts or a man's genitalia is generally considered sexual. I was strictly talking about the pregnant abdomen/kicking baby situation.
BTW, maybe you would hate it yourself, but maybe you wouldn't. You might be surprised how much of your pregnancy you have a desire to share with those you trust when you are in the moment.
Why does anyone bring their newborn babies into the workplace? They develop bonds with people they work long hours with and want to share a little bit of their lives with them. They can do that without being inappropriate. I can make an invited touch of a baby kicking belly completely appropriate. I can also make a handshake completely inappropriate. How about just using common sense?You would be surprised how sexually inappropriate someone can make it when their hand wanders around a large belly and it's close proximity to other parts. Why is anyone touching a co-worker beyond a handshake?