Marvel Cinematic Universe

[3GenClone]

That makes sense. I remember reading that Marvel Studios had it set up where the contracts for most of the major players - Downey Jr, Evans, Hemsworth, maybe a couple others - were set to expire after the final Avengers movie.

Kevin Feige on Monday hinted that they have 20 more movies planned for their next "Phase" (or whatever they will call it) of the MCU:

But according to Feige, “we’ve got another 20 movies on the docket that are completely different from anything that’s come before — intentionally.” Disney CEO Bob Iger seems to agree, noting in the same piece that Marvel owns the rights to 7,000 characters, with the implication that the company means to use them.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/29/anthony-joe-russo-kill-avengers-4/
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Evangeline Lily was also quoted recently that Ant-Man and The Wasp is very reminiscent of Lost: Season 4.

When I heard about Infinity War and the direction that they’re heading, I did have this moment of realizing, ‘Oh, wow, there’s a bit of a déjà vu for me with the Lost franchise.’ We are hitting that [Lost] season 4 space where everything’s about to shift, and you’re about to lose the solid ground underneath you. And [Ant-Man and the Wasp], of course, will play a part in that.

Those characters are experts in the quantum realm. In Ant-Man and the Wasp,they are trying everything in their power to safely enter the quantum realm and return back from it because they have evidence from the first film that Scott Lang was able to do that. If he can do it, why can’t we? If we do succeed in Ant-Man and the Wasp, then that does open a whole entire new multi-verse to enter into and play around in. I’m not the story creator, so I can’t tell you what they’re going to do with that. But I definitely see the potential there.​

And here is Disney CEO Bob Iger thoughts about the direction of the MCU:

We’re looking for worlds that are completely separate from the worlds we’ve already visited. They can be separate geographically, or separate in time—not just in place but in time. So there’s almost, it’s not quite infinite, but the directions we could go are extraordinary.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/sounds-like-ant-man-and-the-wasp-may-have-a-major-impac-1820806068
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So what it sounds like may happen is that instead of a single MCU, we may get MCUs - multiple universes with different actors playing an alternative version of famous Marvel characters (such as Thor, Iron-Man and Captain America).

 

[Triggermv]

https://deadline.com/2017/11/disney...-artists-be-stricken-from-history-1202214838/

Latest rumor is that Disney and Fox have rekindled their purchase talks

 

[CloniesForLife]

I wonder how much Infinity War is going to smash box office records? I mean I can't think of a more epic movie (maybe I am drinking too much Kool-Aid after watching the trailer). Lord of the Rings Return of the King maybe?

 

[CloniesForLife]

Finished The Punisher last night. Absolutely loved it. Jon Bernthal is great as Frank Castle. Here are my Netlflix rankings for you Trigger.

1st Tier (These are some dang good shows):
The Punisher (Was already a fan of the Punisher and they did a great job), Daredevil Season 1 (Kingpin is one of the best villains in the MCU)

2nd Tier (not too far behind the 1st tier):
Jessica Jones (another good villain), Daredevil Season 2





3rd Tier (A little ways behind):
Luke Cage (Good start, bad end), The Defenders (team ups can be fun)














4th Tier (Not good):
Iron Fist (Danny Rand annoyed the **** out of me)

 

[Triggermv]

Finished The Punisher last night. Absolutely loved it. Jon Bernthal is great as Frank Castle. Here are my Netlflix rankings for you Trigger.

1st Tier (These are some dang good shows):
The Punisher (Was already a fan of the Punisher and they did a great job), Daredevil Season 1 (Kingpin is one of the best villains in the MCU)

2nd Tier (not too far behind the 1st tier):
Jessica Jones (another good villain), Daredevil Season 2





3rd Tier (A little ways behind):
Luke Cage (Good start, bad end), The Defenders (team ups can be fun)














4th Tier (Not good):
Iron Fist (Danny Rand annoyed the **** out of me)

I like your list except toss Daredevil Season 2 in the top tier and make a separate tier below Luke Cage for The Defenders, making 5 tiers total.

 

[Triggermv]

I wonder how much Infinity War is going to smash box office records? I mean I can't think of a more epic movie (maybe I am drinking too much Kool-Aid after watching the trailer). Lord of the Rings Return of the King maybe?

Yes, Marvel movies all pretty much kill it at the box office, particularly The Avengers ones, but lets not forget the true box office king now a days..... Star Wars, particularly the sago movies. I think you are underestimating the true power of Star Wars there. For comparison, here are the highest grossing movies of both franchises:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens:
$2,068,223,624

Marvel's The Avengers
$1,518,812,988

Yes, I'm expecting Infinity War to probably break into new MCU record territory if it gets good reviews, but I still don't think it cracks 2 billion. I'm calling it right now that Infinity War finals out around $1,750,000,000 and Star Wars remains the current king. Screw you Avatar.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I like your list except toss Daredevil Season 2 in the top tier and make a separate tier below Luke Cage for The Defenders making 5 tiers total.

I thought about putting Daredevil Season 2 in the top. Can't argue with Luke Cage edging out the Defenders either. Just wish the last few episodes were better.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Yes, Marvel movies all pretty much kill it at the box office, particularly The Avengers ones, but lets not forget the true box office king now a days..... Star Wars, particularly the sago movies. I think you are underestimating the true power of Star Wars there. For comparison, here are the highest grossing movies of both franchises:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens:
$2,068,223,624

Marvel's The Avengers
$1,518,812,988

Yes, I'm expecting Infinity War to probably break into new MCU record territory if it gets good reviews, but I still don't think it cracks 2 billion. I'm calling it right now that Infinity War finals out around $1,750,000,000 and Star Wars remains the current king. Screw you Avatar.

So you are saying Disney is doing ok?

 

[Triggermv]

So you are saying Disney is doing ok?

On the film side...... strong yes. On the cable TV/ESPN side....... strong no. In the end, one side pretty much cancels out the other side.

 

[Triggermv]

https://screenrant.com/avengers-infinity-war-trailer-disappointing/

Found this article fairly interesting where the author talked about how disappointed he was in the Infinity War trailer and all the reasons why. Funny thing is that I vehemently disagreed with EVERY SINGLE ONE of his reasons. Here is a few:

1. He wanted Marvel to make an exception since this is "Infinity War" for this to be more of a full trailer revealing story points than the vague teaser we got ------ I totally disagree. Anymore, I only watch the very first trailer/teaser of any movie and I DO NOT want story points. I want exactly this. I was super mad Spider-Man's first teaser essentially told you the whole story of the movie. If you want a full-out trailer dude, just WAIT!!!!

2. He said Russo Bros have disappointing visual effects and this trailer shows that ----- could not disagree more. I thought Civil War had some of the best looking and best combination of visual/practical effects of any MCU movie. Stupid comment. I also thought the effects in this trailer were mostly on point too.

3. Says MCU is defined by comedy like GOTG and Thor: Ragnarok and this trailer had no humor and its menace is "outdated" storytelling ----- I could not disagree more, if anything, the MCU has been defined over the years by very diverse storytelling in all way shapes and forms, even outside of just comedy and non-comedy. Such a stupid statement. More serious movies is NOT outdated storytelling. In fact, most would argue some of the best movies in the franchise are their more weightier serious ones, like Winter Soldier and Civil War, which also so happen to be directed by the same directors of Infinity War. Just because you obviously prefer more heavy comedic movies does not mean it is outdated storytelling. Shoot, I'm more on the opposite end and did not love Thor:Ragnarok for that exact reason.

4. This trailer just fails because it was too over hyped --- Disagree personally. I had this trailer pretty hyped up already in my mind and it fully lived up to my expectations.


Not to often I find articles where I literally can't agree with even one thing he is saying.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

If Disney buys Fox, giving Marvel control over the Xmen and Fantastic Four, they could easily transition to those properties following Avengers 4.

Personally I would love to see Marvel get fantastic 4 and make them into what they should be.

 

[Triggermv]

If Disney buys Fox, giving Marvel control over the Xmen and Fantastic Four, they could easily transition to those properties following Avengers 4.

Personally I would love to see Marvel get fantastic 4 and make them into what they should be.

I'm hoping if they get control of both X-Men and Fantastic 4, they let the X-Men play for a bit the way they are before they get rebooted in the MCU. However, I want the Fantastic 4 to come in right away like you said. In fact, I'd like phase 4 to come out as the Fantastic Phase 4.

 

[CloniesForLife]

https://screenrant.com/avengers-infinity-war-trailer-disappointing/

Found this article fairly interesting where the author talked about how disappointed he was in the Infinity War trailer and all the reasons why. Funny thing is that I vehemently disagreed with EVERY SINGLE ONE of his reasons. Here is a few:

1. He wanted Marvel to make an exception since this is "Infinity War" for this to be more of a full trailer revealing story points than the vague teaser we got ------ I totally disagree. Anymore, I only watch the very first trailer/teaser of any movie and I DO NOT want story points. I want exactly this. I was super mad Spider-Man's first teaser essentially told you the whole story of the movie. If you want a full-out trailer dude, just WAIT!!!!

2. He said Russo Bros have disappointing visual effects and this trailer shows that ----- could not disagree more. I thought Civil War had some of the best looking and best combination of visual/practical effects of any MCU movie. Stupid comment. I also thought the effects in this trailer were mostly on point too.

3. Says MCU is defined by comedy like GOTG and Thor: Ragnarok and this trailer had no humor and its menace is "outdated" storytelling ----- I could not disagree more, if anything, the MCU has been defined over the years by very diverse storytelling in all way shapes and forms, even outside of just comedy and non-comedy. Such a stupid statement. More serious movies is NOT outdated storytelling. In fact, most would argue some of the best movies in the franchise are their more weightier serious ones, like Winter Soldier and Civil War, which also so happen to be directed by the same directors of Infinity War. Just because you obviously prefer more heavy comedic movies does not mean it is outdated storytelling. Shoot, I'm more on the opposite end and did not love Thor:Ragnarok for that exact reason.

4. This trailer just fails because it was too over hyped --- Disagree personally. I had this trailer pretty hyped up already in my mind and it fully lived up to my expectations.


Not to often I find articles where I literally can't agree with even one thing he is saying.

Sounds like some guy that just wants to be a contrarian so he looks "cool".

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I'm hoping if they get control of both X-Men and Fantastic 4, they let the X-Men play for a bit the way they are before they get rebooted in the MCU. However, I want the Fantastic 4 to come in right away like you said. In fact, I'd like phase 4 to come out as the Fantastic Phase 4.

They are already talking multiverse revolving around the Ant Man series. You could use that to do basically whatever you want.

Personally, I think Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool with RDJ's Iron Man would be the stuff of legend.

 

[BryceC]

So I'll admit I like comics, and on the comics side Marvel has basically killed X-Men because they don't own the movie rights. Most X-Men characters are a part of the Avengers in some capacity now. Also, in the past in comics, when Cap was on hiatus from being the leader of the Avengers a lot of the time Wasp stepped in to lead. I've always loved Evangeline Lilly after Lost and it's my sincere hope she takes over leadership after this group transitions in whatever form that will be. A Wasp/Spider-Man/Wolverine Avengers lineup would be great.

 

[Triggermv]

So I'll admit I like comics, and on the comics side Marvel has basically killed X-Men because they don't own the movie rights. Most X-Men characters are a part of the Avengers in some capacity now. Also, in the past in comics, when Cap was on hiatus from being the leader of the Avengers a lot of the time Wasp stepped in to lead. I've always loved Evangeline Lilly after Lost and it's my sincere hope she takes over leadership after this group transitions in whatever form that will be. A Wasp/Spider-Man/Wolverine Avengers lineup would be great.

Based on the Infinity War Trailer, I wouldn't be surprised if they almost have Black Panther as the new leader.

 

[CycloneErik]

Based on the Infinity War Trailer, I wouldn't be surprised if they almost have Black Panther as the new leader.

I've always been shocked how long they treated a king as a minor supporting character.
He's a king with incredible wealth, skills, and a stunning intellect. He should be a huge deal.

 

[harimad]

So the real endpoint of Disney's game here is that someday, years from now, we'll get to the end of a trailer, and Black Panther, silhouetted in front of a starry viewport, and looking beaten and haggard, will look up and utter the words "Who are you guys?"

and Finn-Poe will be standing there grinning, and Rey will give a sheepish wave, right?

 

[3GenClone]

Here's a notable update on Disney's attempted purchase of 21st Century Fox (X-Men) assets:

This information comes from the Wall Street Journal, which reported today that “people familiar with the situation” say that Walt Disney Co. has returned to talks with 21st Century Fox, with Comcast also in their own separate talks to purchase the company’s assets.


Importantly to many comic and movie fans, these assets would include the film rights to a number of Marvel properties, including the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. They would also include a 30% stake in the streaming platform Hulu. As both Disney and Comcast already own 30% stakes, this deal would give either company a controlling share in the platform.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-disney-back-in-talks-to-buy-21st-century-fox-as-1820947490​

As a Hulu subscriber, I don't like the sound of that last part as Disney could kill off Hulu by moving their popular properties from Hulu to their new streaming service. On the other hand, if this Disney streaming service is supposed to be cheaper than Netflix, then having more titles available would be beneficial for those initial subscribers.
Everyone is looking at this from strictly the MCU-angle, but it sounds like Disney may be focusing on more titles than just the X-Men & Fantastic 4: Imagine if Disney purchased the media rights to stream all 30 seasons of The Simpsons on their new service?

It sounds like there will be some kind of announcement made before the end of the year if this deal goes through or not.

 

[Triggermv]

So, I've officially bitten the bullet and made it all the way through Marvel's Inhumans. I feel like I need a strong pat on the back for that one. Anyone else out there finish it??? Anyway, per usual, here is my full review if anyone particularly gives two craps about the Inhumans TV show. I'm keeping it non-spoilery.

Long story short, IMAX theaters had a few week gap in August for movies where they had nothing, so instead of showing nothing, they approached Marvel about producing a near-cinematic quality Inhumans TV show where IMAX actually funded the first few episodes. Well, Marvel accepted, took their money, found a terrible showrunner in Scott Buck (made Iron Fist TV series), who they hired because he could make things quickly and on the cheap (he literally said this in an interview), spent literally none of IMAX's money, and spit out the garbage that is The Inhumans. Therefore, in describing the end product of this show, ALL of this backstory pretty much plays out in front of you. No wonder IMAX was really bummed with Marvel afterwards.

The story was terrible, the costumes were terrible, the CGI/lack of CGI was abysmal, the sets were bad, most the acting was bad, the characterization of characters was awful, the directing was bad. It was just really hard to find too many redeeming qualities at all in this series. Minus a few special effects, at times, you'd swear this was the product of a bunch of high school students trying to make a low-budget amateur production. Getting more into the characters, you really don't know who to root for in this film because you don't really like anyone. They almost intentionally played out the royal family to be completely unlikable to the point where almost none of them are redeemable, with Medusa being the worst of anybody in the series. Still, you wait for them to be redeemed, which never really happens well at all. Again, I can't stress how bad Medusa was in this series. As for the villain, I thought Iwan Rheon as Maximus actually was one of the better parts of the series, even though he wasn't very good overall. His writing was just mostly bad, but I'll give him credit for working the best he could with what he was given. Karnak was also a character out there in the series that was decent at times and lastly, I'll give them credit for Lockjaw. Lockjaw was one of the few likable things in the series even though he really didn't do a whole lot outside of teleporting people a bunch. He looked halfway decent too.

Anyway, moral of the story, this series was made intentionally too quickly and on the cheap, and that is what we got. I don't know if there is too many worse examples of attempted money-grabs out there than this series, which really just makes me angry. Again, I'm just not a Jeph Loeb (head of Marvel TV) fan anymore as his stuff is just too inconsistently hit or miss. I just don't get how tight of control the movie side can be with their quality of products, whereas the TV side can not. I also cannot fathom how someone could hire Scott Buck to do another series after seeing what he gave you in Iron Fist? Do they not monitor how things are coming at all??? Anyway, Marvel's Inhumans is no doubt a failure on all levels that I honestly hope they just publicly make disappear from the MCU timeline, and maybe even eventually replace with a movie. Trust me, nobody will care. In fact, I already pretend it did not happen. With that said, I'll soon update my MCU rankings to include this stink pile.

FYI... I've moved on next to watching Gifted, the X-Men TV series on Fox. I've only watched one episode, but wow, I'm hooked. That first episode was great and contained more entertainment value in it than the entire Inhumans TV series.