Marvel Cinematic Universe
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They do, but there is no doubt that AOS is apparently attempting to close that gap some by adding Ghost Rider into their mix, and they are also more free to do so with being at the later TV time slot this year. There have also been some smaller Easter egg crossovers between the two TV worlds already too, but never any direct character crossovers.
Not sure what to think of the current AOS season. Ghost Rider is pretty cool, but I don't really know much about the character. They should have gotten Nic Cage. Just kidding. Like it was said before, there are a lot of balls in the air right now and things seem kind of disjointed, but I think they will bring it all together just fine. There is some interesting AI type stuff going on too. I'll keep watching, that's for sure.
Saw this thread a couple of weeks ago and decided to give the movies a try. I instantly got hooked and started binge watching the movies after work. All I can say is wow. The way all the characters play into the other movies is just phenomenal. I have never been a big movie guy but these were spectacular.
Here would be my list from top to bottom:
1. The avengers
2. Guardians of the galaxy
3. Iron Man
4. Civil war
5. The winter soilder
6. Ant-Man
7. The first avenger
8. Thor.
9. Age of Ultron
10. Iron man 3
11. Thor: the dark world
12. Iron man 2
13. Hulk
Although there were movies I liked more then others I thoroughly enjoyed all of them. I did have some questions though as I havent read any of the comics or maybe I just missed something.
Why no movie for hawkeye? It just seemed weird to me why you would put a character in the avengers without having any prior knowledge to who he was. I guess I picked up that he worked with black widow but it just seemed odd. Did they think they couldnt make it entertaining enough?
Will one of the Avengers ever die? I guess if you count quicksilver as an avenger then yes but at times in civil war it just felt like there was too many characters.
How many Avengers will they add if they dont die? If you just keep adding them wont it just get take down the value as you will have to fit a ton of characters in the next avengers movie.
Will we ever see a marvel "suicide squad"?
Why are the villains always so weak? The endings were pretty much the same for a lot of these movies.
Is spiderman now an avenger? While I would have liked to see a more old spiderman, is he now an avenger?
Now that I watched the marvel movies, I'm thinking about giving the DC ones a try. I know they are not in the same universe but where would I even start? How do they compare to the marvel movies?
Here would be my list from top to bottom:
1. The avengers
2. Guardians of the galaxy
3. Iron Man
4. Civil war
5. The winter soilder
6. Ant-Man
7. The first avenger
8. Thor.
9. Age of Ultron
10. Iron man 3
11. Thor: the dark world
12. Iron man 2
13. Hulk
Although there were movies I liked more then others I thoroughly enjoyed all of them. I did have some questions though as I havent read any of the comics or maybe I just missed something.
Why no movie for hawkeye? It just seemed weird to me why you would put a character in the avengers without having any prior knowledge to who he was. I guess I picked up that he worked with black widow but it just seemed odd. Did they think they couldnt make it entertaining enough?
Will one of the Avengers ever die? I guess if you count quicksilver as an avenger then yes but at times in civil war it just felt like there was too many characters.
How many Avengers will they add if they dont die? If you just keep adding them wont it just get take down the value as you will have to fit a ton of characters in the next avengers movie.
Will we ever see a marvel "suicide squad"?
Why are the villains always so weak? The endings were pretty much the same for a lot of these movies.
Is spiderman now an avenger? While I would have liked to see a more old spiderman, is he now an avenger?
Now that I watched the marvel movies, I'm thinking about giving the DC ones a try. I know they are not in the same universe but where would I even start? How do they compare to the marvel movies?
Great list. I think most will agree that the top 5 on there are pretty interchangeable. Now it is time for you to move to the Netflix series. I don't think you'll be disappointed.
As for Hawkeye, the reason he hasn't got his own movie has mostly been due to his limited skill set (shoots arrows) and likely the fact that most think he is the least interesting Avenger, although most still like him to some extent. Due to his lack of superpowers, his backstory is also relatively simple where he is essentially just a Shield agent that became an Avenger, kind of like Black Widow was, and both he and Black Widow go fairly far back in that. He obviously goes back further beings how he was the one who recruited Black Widow. However, I do know there has been rumbles lately of them possibly considering a Hawkeye or Black Widow Netflix series that could be in the future or explore some of their past together. That could be cool.
Moving on to the dying thing. Yeah, I'm surprised nobody has died yet outside of Quicksilver, but I know that there has already been talks of a lot of deaths upcoming in Infinity War. Not only is a lot of the actor's contracts expiring during those two movies, but I think a lot of the reason for no deaths so far is to build up to the big finale where multiple people die. Feige has also said that Infinity Wars will drastically change the way the Avengers look and their future lineup.
Sorry, doubt a Marvel Suicide Squad is coming any too soon. Maybe a Sinister 6 movie way down the road.
With the villains, I think a lot of the reason the villains suck is due to the time and effort all the directors have put into hashing out and exploring the heroes rather than the villains. Most the best MCU villains are on the TV side, but they are working with a lot more time to hash out both. As a counterexample, take a look at the Dark Knight, that movie did a better job of creating an amazing villain than it necessarily did in exploring Batman deeper. To some extent, it is kind of one or the other, unless you've got a really skilled director.
As for Spider-Man, it is still up in the air when he'll fully become an Avenger. Granted, a lot of the point of Civil War is to pretty much break the Avengers apart at the seems in order to lead up to Infinity War, so it is hard to say he is an Avenger when we don't really even know the current state of the Avengers.
As for the DC Extended Universe, I'd give it a shot. It is definitely off to a rockier start than Marvel, but I still believe there is some great potential there if they can right the ship. They've made some structure and management changes that should help for future movies. The easy part about that one is that it is only 3 movies in so far, so it isn't hard to catch up. Feel free to check on my equivalent DC Extended Universe thread on CF here for updates on that one. As for a chronological order for any of this stuff, here are my go-to websites:
For a chronological viewing order to watch things, here is my go-to website:
Marvel Cinematic Universe (Film, TV, and Tie-in comics):
http://www.alltimelines.com/marvel-multiverse-chronology/marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline/
DC Extended Universe (Film, future TV, and Tie-in comics):
http://www.alltimelines.com/dc-comics-multiverse-chronology/dc-extended-universe/
Arrowverse - DC/CW TV Universe (Just TV)
http://www.alltimelines.com/dc-comics-multiverse-chronology/dc-extended-universe/
Highly recommend all 3 if you feel ambitious. I've been debating a Star Wars Expanded Universe thread, but just haven't got the motivation yet to get one rolling, but that is another of the biggest shared universes out there.
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The Russo interview on the Civil War disc stated that the 7 issue arc of Infinity Wars had 120 characters in it (way past my comic books days).
They said they may not reach that number in the two movies but they said everybody put in the movies will hopefully be important in them.
They said they may not reach that number in the two movies but they said everybody put in the movies will hopefully be important in them.
I'm getting pumped for Luke Cage (comes out this Friday). Here is a quote about what we could see in a potential Season 2:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/weve-already-got-clues-about-luke-cages-second-season-1787062335
http://io9.gizmodo.com/weve-already-got-clues-about-luke-cages-second-season-1787062335
I agree. I was never a big punisher guy either but after watching him in Daredevil season 2, he was far and away the best part of daredevil season 1 or 2. Blew me away and cant wait to see him show up again.
I don't know much of anything about Luke Cage outside of the Jessica Jones series, but Netflix proved they know how to do these shows, so I will watch for sure.
Completely disagree. They finally got the age of Spidey right. The juxtaposition of him and the other heroes will be great. I would actually like another young hero or two thrown into the mix. Somebody like Ms. Marvel or (I know it can't/won't happen) Kitty Pryde.
Yeah, its funny because I liked Season 1 of Daredevil the best of the two, but at the same time, I agree that The Punisher was the best part of both seasons. Overall, I was just kind of so-so on all the Elektra stuff in Season 2. While Elodie Yung (actress who plays Elektra) isn't Agent May bad, I'm still not sure whether I like her casting or not. Maybe part of it is that I still just have a hard time believing this 5 foot nothing 100 pound girl is kicking the crap out of all these full-size ninjas. I say that knowing that she is actually a pretty good martial artist in real life too, so still, props for that. I also think that part of it is that she is just a so-so actress too. Maybe a combo. Now, on the flip side, Agent May has that believable size to be doing what she is doing. I just think she is an AWFUL actress is all, which is what kills her. Her directors aren't helping her cause either. She also never helped her cause from the get-go with the whole "if I need a gun, I'll take one" schindig. Has anyone ever heard of something so stupid in their life??? A government Agent NOT bringing a gun to any mission because they prefer hand to hand combat and that they'd take one from a foe if they really need one.... so so stupid and cheesy. Maybe a different story if she actually had a power set like Captain America or something.
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Devils advocate: While I've only seen a few episodes of Agents of Shield, I actually think that is a good thing to have her without a gun, because it means more problem solving and TV-friendly combat. Look a show like Lost, where the conflict always had to deal with which character had a gun or which character had more guns. I found myself getting so frustrated with Lost because they had to find bizarre ways to remove the empowerment from those gun-carrying characters in order to build up the drama.
In a show like AoS, much like the original MacGuyver series, that drama is built on problem-solving. Characters like Fitz and Simmons help build that drama and the audience knows that there won't be a simple solution, such as going in to situation with guns blazing. I agree that Agent May's character when viewed from a realistic perspective is asinine, but it just proves that AoS has intelligent writers that are capable of pulling off something so unbelievable and yet so entertaining at the same time.
I like the idea of the devil's advocate for that
, and definitely see where you are coming from on the family-friendly side of things. Part of that reasoning is probably one of my biggest gripes about the series overall, in the fact that they started off the show almost too family-friendly, which Whedon produced stuff can do if gone unchecked. In fact, I thought it went too family-friendly cheesy to the point where it flirted with not even fitting well into the same MCU. Part of this is the producers choices, and part of this had to do with the time slot they were in. Nevertheless, I still can't help but find Agent May's premise as completely stupid and hokey, especially when everyone else is carrying guns, just like other Shield Agents like Fury, Hill, and Romanoff do in the movies. Overall, I will say the show at least did make a better family friendly workaround eventually when they introduced the ICER pistols, which essentially tranquilize who they hit, instead of using lethal guns. While they were obviously a bit of a forced workaround, I guess I thought they worked decent at least. In the end, I see where you are coming, but I'm just sorry, its gonna be hard to make me change my mind on this one in the slightest. Also, my enmity for Agent May has gone unswayed.P.S. I really hope people don't get the feeling I'm sexist again female characters in these movies because I'm not at all. Love Black Widow. Jessica Jones... thumbs up. Wonder Woman is probably my most anticipated upcoming Super-hero movie. I can't wait for Captain Marvel. Overall, I think Mockingbird is pretty decent. The biggest differences I probably find between the good ones and bad ones is whether they do a good job acting or not (Agent May), and whether they fit the part overall (Elektra). I judge the men the same way. On both sides, there is some good ones and some bad ones.
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Not a surprise, but Benedict Cumberbatch appears to confirm that Doctor Strange will be in Avenger's: Infinity War:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/another-marvel-hero-is-confirmed-for-avengers-infinity-1787105092
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http://io9.gizmodo.com/another-marvel-hero-is-confirmed-for-avengers-infinity-1787105092
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Not a surprise, but Benedict Cumberbatch appears to confirm that Doctor Strange will be in Avenger's: Infinity War:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/another-marvel-hero-is-confirmed-for-avengers-infinity-1787105092
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One month away. Can't wait!!!! With that said, for all you MCU super-nerds out there like me, here are the two official tie-in Dr. Strange prelude comics for you to read in preparation:
NOT MCU related, but The Tick just officially got ordered to Season on Amazon. If you haven't got a chance to go check out the Pilot on there, I highly recommend it. Personally, I know literally nothing about The Tick comics or even its previous TV series. However, I watched the Pilot for this and found it thoroughly entertaining, almost like a live-action, little more adult oriented version of The Incredibles.
http://comicbook.com/2016/09/27/the-tick-ordered-to-series-by-amazon/
http://comicbook.com/2016/09/27/the-tick-ordered-to-series-by-amazon/
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